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Is their DDOS service censored?

by socialismisok 4y ago

pstuart 4y ago
They're bent about kiwi-farms.
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cmeacham98 4y ago
They have terminated service for 8chan, The Daily Stormer, and KiwiFarms. I'll leave it up to you to determine how fair of a description "censored" is.
- sergiotapia 4y ago
  Even though those three website are filth, they have objectively been censored by Cloudflare. What's the confusion here? Just be honest about it and say Cloudflare censors content they don't agree with. Why the tiptoeing around this fact?
  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    Sure, you can roll with this definition of 'censored', but it makes the term almost meaningless. Would you describe HN as a "censored" forum because they engage in moderation? Even 4chan doesn't allow child porn, would it also be accurately described as censored? Generally, when we refer to a platform as 'censored' we do so for much stronger reasons than "they've banned a few users/customers in the past".
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    I think you are making statements that are stronger than reality. Cloudflare censors content they don't agree with? I would guess they actually protect a huge volume of content they don't agree with. And I don't think they have suppressed those sites or gone out of their way to take action against those sites beyond terminating Cloudflare protections. So, to me at least, that doesn't rise to the definition of "censorship". Just because you state it is a fact doesn't actually make it factual.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    I'm not that worried since those sites received tons of bad press (for good reason) and were hives of scum and villainy. My main reason is they don't hide your source IP in all cases or provide actual region hiding either. It's a false sense of security.
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guywithahat 4y ago
There was a recent controversy where an activist named "Keffals" posted something violent and threatening on KiwiFarms about herself, screenshotted and deleted it (it's not clear to me whether she deleted the post or if it was removed, however I know her account was banned), and then used the screenshot to lobby CloudFlare to take down the site. After this became known CloudFlare has held steady in their commitment to not allow the site back up. That said it's not an especially nice site, however where CloudFlare has removed sites in the past they've slowly been censoring less and less radical sites, which has people concerned since it's a "backbone of the internet" type service. Ironically CloudFlare made a blog post a few days before banning KiwiFarms expressing this exact sentiment before doubling back on it https://archive.ph/gJXgF https://archive.ph/gJXgF
- socialismisok 4y ago
  None of that sounds like censorship though?
- IntelMiner 4y ago
  >There was a recent controversy where an activist named "Keffals" posted something violent and threatening on KiwiFarms about herself, screenshotted and deleted it There is not a citation big enough for this holy shit >That said it's not an especially nice site It's a site that encourages people to literally commit suicide. But you seem to have an agenda in your comment
  - guywithahat 4y ago
    With all due respect I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about

Is their DDOS service censored?

pstuart 4y ago

They're bent about kiwi-farms.

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cmeacham98 4y ago

They have terminated service for 8chan, The Daily Stormer, and KiwiFarms. I'll leave it up to you to determine how fair of a description "censored" is.

sergiotapia 4y ago
Even though those three website are filth, they have objectively been censored by Cloudflare. What's the confusion here? Just be honest about it and say Cloudflare censors content they don't agree with. Why the tiptoeing around this fact?
- cmeacham98 4y ago
  Sure, you can roll with this definition of 'censored', but it makes the term almost meaningless. Would you describe HN as a "censored" forum because they engage in moderation? Even 4chan doesn't allow child porn, would it also be accurately described as censored? Generally, when we refer to a platform as 'censored' we do so for much stronger reasons than "they've banned a few users/customers in the past".
- socialismisok 4y ago
  I think you are making statements that are stronger than reality. Cloudflare censors content they don't agree with? I would guess they actually protect a huge volume of content they don't agree with. And I don't think they have suppressed those sites or gone out of their way to take action against those sites beyond terminating Cloudflare protections. So, to me at least, that doesn't rise to the definition of "censorship". Just because you state it is a fact doesn't actually make it factual.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  I'm not that worried since those sites received tons of bad press (for good reason) and were hives of scum and villainy. My main reason is they don't hide your source IP in all cases or provide actual region hiding either. It's a false sense of security.

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guywithahat 4y ago

There was a recent controversy where an activist named "Keffals" posted something violent and threatening on KiwiFarms about herself, screenshotted and deleted it (it's not clear to me whether she deleted the post or if it was removed, however I know her account was banned), and then used the screenshot to lobby CloudFlare to take down the site. After this became known CloudFlare has held steady in their commitment to not allow the site back up. That said it's not an especially nice site, however where CloudFlare has removed sites in the past they've slowly been censoring less and less radical sites, which has people concerned since it's a "backbone of the internet" type service. Ironically CloudFlare made a blog post a few days before banning KiwiFarms expressing this exact sentiment before doubling back on it https://archive.ph/gJXgF https://archive.ph/gJXgF

socialismisok 4y ago
None of that sounds like censorship though?
IntelMiner 4y ago
>There was a recent controversy where an activist named "Keffals" posted something violent and threatening on KiwiFarms about herself, screenshotted and deleted it There is not a citation big enough for this holy shit >That said it's not an especially nice site It's a site that encourages people to literally commit suicide. But you seem to have an agenda in your comment
- guywithahat 4y ago
  With all due respect I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about