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Florida's bill which prevents gay and lesbian teachers discussing their partners, for one. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-don-t-say-gay-bill-desantis-1.

Florida's bill which prevents gay and lesbian teachers discussing their partners, for one. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-don-t-say-gay-bill-desantis-1.6400087 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-don-t-say-gay-bill-des...

mythrwy 4y ago
There are many cases of not being allowed to say certain things as an employee or representative of an entity but I don't consider them infringements on "free speech" in general. I'm sure after work these teachers can say whatever they like.
- trs8080 4y ago
  So it's okay that teachers are allowed to discuss their heterosexual partners but not homosexual? And you consider this not to be a violation of free speech?
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    The text of the law doesn't appear to do that. Is there a different law that you are thinking of? https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...
remarkEon 4y ago
I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. How does this prevent gay and lesbian teachers from discussing their partners? I see a paragraph that says instruction on sexuality and sexual orientation can't begin before the third grade which seems pretty reasonable. I didn't get that until I was in, I think, fifth grade. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...
- slg 4y ago
  >I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. You could try search for other words or phrases like sexual orientation? You will find passages like this: >Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. No one knows what those "state standards" are which creates a chilling effect around all discussions. Does this hypothetical conversation qualify? First Grader: What do you do over Christmas Mrs. Smith? Mrs. Smith: I went to visit my wife's family in Miami. First Grader: But you are a woman, how do you have a wife? Mrs. Smith: Not all women marry men. Some women marry other women.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    Yes that's the paragraph I was referring to, and seems to be the only one that's relevant to what you're saying. No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Do you think your hypothetical conversation qualifies as "classroom instruction"? I don't think so. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVIII#TitleXLVIII http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      You don’t think so, but you and (most importantly) the teachers don’t know for sure. So they are self-censoring to be safe. The uncertainty is what creates a chilling effect. All it takes is some disgruntled parent hearing their kid talking about their teacher’s homosexual spouse to trigger a lawsuit, upending lives and careers.
    - slg 4y ago
      >No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Where are they listed on that website? I don't see them. Maybe the standards have been defined in the last few months, but they didn't exist at the time the bill was first proposed.

mythrwy 4y ago

There are many cases of not being allowed to say certain things as an employee or representative of an entity but I don't consider them infringements on "free speech" in general. I'm sure after work these teachers can say whatever they like.

trs8080 4y ago
So it's okay that teachers are allowed to discuss their heterosexual partners but not homosexual? And you consider this not to be a violation of free speech?
- remarkEon 4y ago
  The text of the law doesn't appear to do that. Is there a different law that you are thinking of? https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...

remarkEon 4y ago

I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. How does this prevent gay and lesbian teachers from discussing their partners? I see a paragraph that says instruction on sexuality and sexual orientation can't begin before the third grade which seems pretty reasonable. I didn't get that until I was in, I think, fifth grade. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...

slg 4y ago
>I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. You could try search for other words or phrases like sexual orientation? You will find passages like this: >Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. No one knows what those "state standards" are which creates a chilling effect around all discussions. Does this hypothetical conversation qualify? First Grader: What do you do over Christmas Mrs. Smith? Mrs. Smith: I went to visit my wife's family in Miami. First Grader: But you are a woman, how do you have a wife? Mrs. Smith: Not all women marry men. Some women marry other women.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  Yes that's the paragraph I was referring to, and seems to be the only one that's relevant to what you're saying. No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Do you think your hypothetical conversation qualifies as "classroom instruction"? I don't think so. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVIII#TitleXLVIII http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    You don’t think so, but you and (most importantly) the teachers don’t know for sure. So they are self-censoring to be safe. The uncertainty is what creates a chilling effect. All it takes is some disgruntled parent hearing their kid talking about their teacher’s homosexual spouse to trigger a lawsuit, upending lives and careers.
  - slg 4y ago
    >No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Where are they listed on that website? I don't see them. Maybe the standards have been defined in the last few months, but they didn't exist at the time the bill was first proposed.