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> Or to be blocked from being able to say it out loud Proponents of hate speech laws and their silent enablers would be one answer. Certainly not the only one.
by throwawayacc2 4y ago
> Or to be blocked from being able to say it out loud
Proponents of hate speech laws and their silent enablers would be one answer. Certainly not the only one.
> I think what you mean is that people are calling for internet platforms to kick out certain groups. This is in no way a call against freedom of speech.
You keep telling yourself self that. Especially when social values will change again as they always do and you will find your self shut off from society. You just keep telling yourself that’s not a loss of free speech.
> I am not sure why people suddenly believe that being for 'free speech' means that other people have to provide private infrastructure for those people to spread their speech.
I am not sure why people suddenly believe that being for ‘equality between the races' means that other people have to provide private shops for those black people to shop in - Someone with your thinking not that far away in the past
Tell me, should shop owners be allowed to ban the blacks from their shops? Or is it just the backers that have to make cakes for the gays? Or perhaps it’s the age old “one rule for thee and another for me”?
> Free Speech was never about requiring private citizens to provide a platform
Then why are there laws like ADA or title VII of the Civil Rights Act?
Give me a break. You can’t have it both ways. Just admit it, drop the pretence, be honest. Just say it out loud. You believe there are undesirable groups in society and those groups should not enjoy the same rights and opportunities as the rest.
And once you admit to your self that is what you actually believe, reflect for just one second and understand in whose philosophical company you find yourself in.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoThose laws were made to protect specific groups and their basic human rights to operate in a society. You have you no right to force me to host your opinion however. Especially when that are dozens (hundreds?) of hosts that will pretty much allow anything if they will allow Gab, Stormfront, 4chan, etc.
- throwawayacc2 4y agoYou cannot have it both ways. We agreed as a society business are not allowed to discriminate. If businesses cannot discriminate, then your business should indeed be forced to host whatever content I put there, no matter how repulsive you may find it, as long as it is within the boundaries of the law. Close the door to this and the door to discrimination will open. For now, it will be in your favour. At some point, societal values will change again. And you will find yourself on the “wrong side of history”. That is why we made anti discrimination laws and that is why we should stick to this.
- trs8080 4y agoIt's troubling that you're unable to see the difference between restricting hate speech and protecting marginalized people so they can participate equitably in society.
- pstuart 4y agoI see parallels to the 2A movement -- laser focus on the part they like without recognition that other factors are at play as well.
- salawat 4y agoThey already can participate equitably. They just don't like having to follow the same processes everyone else has to. There is no express route to stripping someone else of their civil liberty.