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> However there is no secret government cabal sitting around trying to figure out some new fake reason to scare the population. Except when there is: https://
by MichaelCollins 4y ago
> However there is no secret government cabal sitting around trying to figure out some new fake reason to scare the population.
Except when there is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
> The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the remote control of civilian aircraft which would be secretly a repainted US Air Force plane,[2] the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,[3] blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
- AndrewKemendo 4y agoThank you for bringing this up. These examples prove the point at how rare, egregious and unfruitful all such efforts to create such a cabal have been. Notably solidifying the reality that no such cabal exists. It is true that unethical people have tried to do illegal things in the past. Gen Lemnitzer was fired as JCS and nothing ever came of it. How about when a group of traitors tried to get Gen Smedley Butler to run a coup in the Business plot? There are always going to be people trying to seek power. The ENTIRE REASON we are structured the way we are with civilian politicians and civilian head of the DoD who are there at the will of the people is to prevent such situations and so far we've done a good job at rooting them out. All this proves is that we need the best most ethical people running the show and it actually is important that you, the citizen, is involved in putting the right people in charge. So are you doing everything you can for your country to make sure that the best people are in charge and most importantly the functions of the system continue to act as checks on the others? Are you doing that? Have you done public service in ANY capacity? If so great, keep it up and maybe think about what you could be doing to make your system more robust and reducing similar risks.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoOperation Northwoods only became public knowledge about 3 decades after JFK rejected it. If he had approved it, we might never have heard of it. There is no way to be sure what nefarious shit they're up to today that we might not hear about until the 2050s if ever.
- kennend3 4y agoThis is what you got from his response to you, that the fact they put forward such a dumb idea to a president seems to prove no "cabal" exists? If it did not exist, why was the dumb idea put forward? why the need to invade Cuba? Why all the other underhanded involvement in other countries over the years? Then you list other examples of such nefarious behaviours? Thankfully the US government does not have a serious problem with lobbying, corruption (number 27 on the world corruption index). But sure, the fact the "bay of pigs" was discovered seems to prove things like this don't take place, yet you list Smedley of "war is a racket"?
- defen 4y agoDid anyone in the "intelligence community" or the military or the unelected bureaucrat class suffer any consequences whatsoever for the abject failures, wastes of money, and wastes of life known as "The Iraq War" and "The War in Afghanistan"?
- AndrewKemendo 4y agoYes https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/military/killed https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/military/kil...
- defen 4y agoMaybe I wasn't clear. I meant the people who were directly or indirectly responsible for the troops being there. Not the people who died.