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So my 2 year old Android device already had a feature that was only now implemented by Apple in their top of the line products. Neat. Does anyone have personal

So my 2 year old Android device already had a feature that was only now implemented by Apple in their top of the line products. Neat. Does anyone have personal experience of how dual-frequency improves GPS? As I'm not really using GPS a lot, I'm not sure I noticed a difference from my previous devices (I live in EU, so also no high rise skyscrapers here)

oneplane 4y ago
I doesn't matter if your device had it for 99999 years and is therefore 'way cooler', what matters is how far along the GPS satellites are, and at this stage there isn't even one complete deployment, it's still being deployed.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  You don't need every satellite to be broadcasting the L5 signal to benefit. In fact there's probably diminishing returns, you really only need to receive one L5 signal to do ionosphere correction
  - labcomputer 4y ago
    Ha, if only. No, a satellite broadcasting L5 only gives you ionospheric corrections for that satellite. Otherwise what would be the point? WAAS already gives ionospheric corrections for a course grid. If you could just assume that the ionospheric delay was constant across the sky, you wouldn’t need L5 at all.
  - oneplane 4y ago
    It doesn't matter how little you need if there are big gaps in availability. Granted, having prepared hardware and sometimes-coverage is great, but the buck has got to stop somewhere.
m3kw9 4y ago
Android has copy and paste before iOS but you wouldn’t want to brag about it just because. It didn’t work well at all till iOS came out with their implementation
- pmontra 4y ago
  I had a Symbian phone back then. It had copy and paste. Nothing to brag about because it was such a normal feature.
- TedShiller 4y ago
  yep, everytime Apple makes a feature actually useable, all the android people come out furious. my guess is android people also use windows, and are used to constant blue screens, malware, and random crashes.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago
    Yep, it's been days since 0days were exploited by malware in OSX. I still keep using it for some reason. Wish it would work with Android the way my linux boxes do! Even Win11 has some crapware that links it to my phone, sigh.
  - slavak 4y ago
    > my guess is android people also use windows, and are used to constant blue screens, malware, and random crashes. Have you just woken up from a coma you fell into back in the 90s?
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  Great point, Android's swipe-able keyboard was VERY good before Apple copied it. Brag about that because it was good, not "just because."
TedShiller 4y ago
my 1999 honda civic has a feature that my Porsche 911 doesn't have. doesn't mean my Porsche 911 is a worse car
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  Clearly it's a worse car WRT to that feature. Besides the high price of iPhones, this metaphor doesn't go very far.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  I wouldn't bother trying to reason on this. I'm an Android developer, but use an iPhone. I've noticed some Android users really need their wins against Apple. It's almost like a Linux user trying to convince you how awesome and slicker the dev experience is, vs how bloated and slow your Macbook is: the point isn't to inform you, it's to reassure themselves.
  - democra 4y ago
    I don't know which rock you're living under but Apple users do this way way more often to validate their purchase.
    - BoorishBears 4y ago
      Ok.
- bscphil 4y ago
  I think people are simply surprised that Apple is just now getting around to this, given that it's been a common feature in high end Android phones for quite a while now. OP did not say that Apple phones were worse, you inferred that.
  - lovich 4y ago
    adding in a "...only now implemented by Apple in their top of the line..." and a sarcastic "Neat." right after that sentence make it pretty clear what the poster was implying
lttlrck 4y ago
"Neat" but if it isn't even noticeable to you, the end user, then perhaps that's why Apple waited. After all, it would require die space, antenna and power.
RockRobotRock 4y ago
I really don't care that you already had this feature.

oneplane 4y ago

I doesn't matter if your device had it for 99999 years and is therefore 'way cooler', what matters is how far along the GPS satellites are, and at this stage there isn't even one complete deployment, it's still being deployed.

Rebelgecko 4y ago
You don't need every satellite to be broadcasting the L5 signal to benefit. In fact there's probably diminishing returns, you really only need to receive one L5 signal to do ionosphere correction
- labcomputer 4y ago
  Ha, if only. No, a satellite broadcasting L5 only gives you ionospheric corrections for that satellite. Otherwise what would be the point? WAAS already gives ionospheric corrections for a course grid. If you could just assume that the ionospheric delay was constant across the sky, you wouldn’t need L5 at all.
- oneplane 4y ago
  It doesn't matter how little you need if there are big gaps in availability. Granted, having prepared hardware and sometimes-coverage is great, but the buck has got to stop somewhere.

m3kw9 4y ago

Android has copy and paste before iOS but you wouldn’t want to brag about it just because. It didn’t work well at all till iOS came out with their implementation

pmontra 4y ago
I had a Symbian phone back then. It had copy and paste. Nothing to brag about because it was such a normal feature.
TedShiller 4y ago
yep, everytime Apple makes a feature actually useable, all the android people come out furious. my guess is android people also use windows, and are used to constant blue screens, malware, and random crashes.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  Yep, it's been days since 0days were exploited by malware in OSX. I still keep using it for some reason. Wish it would work with Android the way my linux boxes do! Even Win11 has some crapware that links it to my phone, sigh.
- slavak 4y ago
  > my guess is android people also use windows, and are used to constant blue screens, malware, and random crashes. Have you just woken up from a coma you fell into back in the 90s?
cantSpellSober 4y ago
Great point, Android's swipe-able keyboard was VERY good before Apple copied it. Brag about that because it was good, not "just because."

TedShiller 4y ago

my 1999 honda civic has a feature that my Porsche 911 doesn't have. doesn't mean my Porsche 911 is a worse car

cantSpellSober 4y ago
Clearly it's a worse car WRT to that feature. Besides the high price of iPhones, this metaphor doesn't go very far.
BoorishBears 4y ago
I wouldn't bother trying to reason on this. I'm an Android developer, but use an iPhone. I've noticed some Android users really need their wins against Apple. It's almost like a Linux user trying to convince you how awesome and slicker the dev experience is, vs how bloated and slow your Macbook is: the point isn't to inform you, it's to reassure themselves.
- democra 4y ago
  I don't know which rock you're living under but Apple users do this way way more often to validate their purchase.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    Ok.
bscphil 4y ago
I think people are simply surprised that Apple is just now getting around to this, given that it's been a common feature in high end Android phones for quite a while now. OP did not say that Apple phones were worse, you inferred that.
- lovich 4y ago
  adding in a "...only now implemented by Apple in their top of the line..." and a sarcastic "Neat." right after that sentence make it pretty clear what the poster was implying

lttlrck 4y ago

"Neat" but if it isn't even noticeable to you, the end user, then perhaps that's why Apple waited. After all, it would require die space, antenna and power.

RockRobotRock 4y ago

I really don't care that you already had this feature.