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What are you talking about? The part where they refer to Indian freedom fighters? Because I thought they did a really good job of highlighting a lot of them, no

What are you talking about? The part where they refer to Indian freedom fighters? Because I thought they did a really good job of highlighting a lot of them, not just well known ones and across vast political spectrums. I mean they had Bhagat Singh and Subhash Chandra Bose as well as Shivaji and Mirabai.

dagmx 4y ago
That scene was good till you consider a few factors: - Bose was allied with the Nazi’s. I know it’s debatable whether the ends justify the means but he also held some fairly hostile views that are being used again - there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who preached peace , but more importantly, those who were against the division of Pakistan and India. I shared a couple links above in an edit, but there’s definitely an messaging to align with the directors more hardline views of modern Indian politics
- unmole 4y ago
  > Bose was allied with the Nazi’s A marriage of convenience like when Gandhi allied with the Ali Brothers. > there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who preached peace Three of them where Gandhians but OK. > but more importantly, those who were against the division of Pakistan and India. Nobody in the Congress wanted partion to begin with. But there was no leader against it when it became clear that it was apparent. Who exactly do you have in mind?
  - dagmx 4y ago
    Your entire comment is a “so what?” You don’t think it’s suspect that major figures were excluded from the list? And they just happen to be the same major figures the right wing governments try and move away from. You don’t think being allied with the Nazis and never denouncing their views was an issue either? the movie had a clear political agenda to it.
    - unmole 4y ago
      > Your entire comment is a “so what?” Yes. Because it's a fantasy movie. Reading complex political messaging into it is rather silly. > Your entire comment is a “so what?” I don't think excluding Gandhi and Nehru from a cheesy dance number is the end of the world. > never denouncing their views Again, read what the man had to say about the Nazis after he left Germany. Also read about what Gandhi had to say about Bose and what Bose had to say about Gandhi. We've had an international airport named after him for decades. Bose is not even remotely controversial in India. > the movie had a clear political agenda to it. But somehow that wasn't clear to overwhelming majority of the audience who actually saw it.
    - bergenty 4y ago
      Who did they exclude from the list? I counted almost everyone I can think of and more.
      - random314 4y ago
        They included Sardar Patel and Shivaji, but missed Gandhi and Nehru.
        screye 4y ago
        God forbid 1 movie among 1000 misses Gandhi or Nehru in them. If omitting a subset of leaders is right-wing bias, then every other movie made in India should be considered congress propaganda. I agree that there is a streak of revisionism in the air within both academic and pop history in India at the moment. However, it is not clear if this simply a long-overdue correction to 75 years of propaganda or if somehow, all history written by the prevailing powers of the last century were perfectly unbiased.
- bergenty 4y ago
  Bose “aligned” with the Nazis so he could free the Indian POWs captured by the Japanese which he then used to build the Indian national army. Also, the Nazis were fighting the British who in India were enemy number one. He wasn’t antisemitic or racist so his alignment is pretty irrelevant.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    This is a provably false retcon of history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose?wprov=sfti... He went to Germany to escape the British after a failed insurrection and hoped to ally with the Nazi’s to lead an invasion into India to free it. The Japanese prisoners of war You’re conflating his later efforts in Japan with his initial allyship with the Nazi party. This is a very common smudging of history that happens in our Indian history books (the CBSE approved books in particular do this) to make things seem more justified. > "I swear by God this holy oath that I will obey the leader of the German race and state, Adolf Hitler, as the commander of the German armed forces in the fight for India, whose leader is Subhas Chandra Bose". This is alignment in every way, so I’m not sure why you’d put that in quotes.

dagmx 4y ago

That scene was good till you consider a few factors: - Bose was allied with the Nazi’s. I know it’s debatable whether the ends justify the means but he also held some fairly hostile views that are being used again - there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who preached peace , but more importantly, those who were against the division of Pakistan and India. I shared a couple links above in an edit, but there’s definitely an messaging to align with the directors more hardline views of modern Indian politics

unmole 4y ago
> Bose was allied with the Nazi’s A marriage of convenience like when Gandhi allied with the Ali Brothers. > there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who preached peace Three of them where Gandhians but OK. > but more importantly, those who were against the division of Pakistan and India. Nobody in the Congress wanted partion to begin with. But there was no leader against it when it became clear that it was apparent. Who exactly do you have in mind?
- dagmx 4y ago
  Your entire comment is a “so what?” You don’t think it’s suspect that major figures were excluded from the list? And they just happen to be the same major figures the right wing governments try and move away from. You don’t think being allied with the Nazis and never denouncing their views was an issue either? the movie had a clear political agenda to it.
  - unmole 4y ago
    > Your entire comment is a “so what?” Yes. Because it's a fantasy movie. Reading complex political messaging into it is rather silly. > Your entire comment is a “so what?” I don't think excluding Gandhi and Nehru from a cheesy dance number is the end of the world. > never denouncing their views Again, read what the man had to say about the Nazis after he left Germany. Also read about what Gandhi had to say about Bose and what Bose had to say about Gandhi. We've had an international airport named after him for decades. Bose is not even remotely controversial in India. > the movie had a clear political agenda to it. But somehow that wasn't clear to overwhelming majority of the audience who actually saw it.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Who did they exclude from the list? I counted almost everyone I can think of and more.
    - random314 4y ago
      They included Sardar Patel and Shivaji, but missed Gandhi and Nehru.
      - screye 4y ago
        God forbid 1 movie among 1000 misses Gandhi or Nehru in them. If omitting a subset of leaders is right-wing bias, then every other movie made in India should be considered congress propaganda. I agree that there is a streak of revisionism in the air within both academic and pop history in India at the moment. However, it is not clear if this simply a long-overdue correction to 75 years of propaganda or if somehow, all history written by the prevailing powers of the last century were perfectly unbiased.
bergenty 4y ago
Bose “aligned” with the Nazis so he could free the Indian POWs captured by the Japanese which he then used to build the Indian national army. Also, the Nazis were fighting the British who in India were enemy number one. He wasn’t antisemitic or racist so his alignment is pretty irrelevant.
- dagmx 4y ago
  This is a provably false retcon of history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose?wprov=sfti1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose?wprov=sfti... He went to Germany to escape the British after a failed insurrection and hoped to ally with the Nazi’s to lead an invasion into India to free it. The Japanese prisoners of war You’re conflating his later efforts in Japan with his initial allyship with the Nazi party. This is a very common smudging of history that happens in our Indian history books (the CBSE approved books in particular do this) to make things seem more justified. > "I swear by God this holy oath that I will obey the leader of the German race and state, Adolf Hitler, as the commander of the German armed forces in the fight for India, whose leader is Subhas Chandra Bose". This is alignment in every way, so I’m not sure why you’d put that in quotes.