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I admit I’m happy to see this but I really wish we could come up with some research methodology that shows causation. This “linked to” thing is pretty hard to u

I admit I’m happy to see this but I really wish we could come up with some research methodology that shows causation. This “linked to” thing is pretty hard to use as evidence to use in discussions with real humans. For context, my family is entirely sucrose and fructose free and do not have any artificial sweeteners and my extended family finds this very very ridiculous and even harmful for toddlers.

SpikeDad 4y ago
And what conclusion should be draw about you and your family and it's preferences?
- johnkpaul 4y ago
  Hah, I’m not sure if one point of anecdata can be meaningfully drawn on but at the very least I’m hopeful that the idea of children categorically not-consuming sweet foods becomes less demonized over time. Im sure my children when older will make their own decisions but not giving ice cream to a 2 year old isn’t harmful.
jleyank 4y ago
Do you mean added sugars or fake sugars, or are you really trying to make due with polysaccharides and a little bit of glucose? Didn’t think ketosis is a good long term source of energy…. The engine is build to run on sugar (Krebs cycle).
- johnkpaul 4y ago
  I mean both fake, added and natural. My family does not have any sweet fruits, for example. I myself am pure carnivore but my children do have broccoli and cauliflower. You’re correct that Krebs cycle is involved but it’s a cycle so the inputs do not have to be solely carbohydrates. Here are more details https://ketoschool.com/summarizing-the-science-behind-ketogenic-low-carb-diets-adc72a3ade8 https://ketoschool.com/summarizing-the-science-behind-ketoge...
  - jleyank 4y ago
    well, keep an eye on what this diet does to liver and kidneys and if it's high-fat watch out for gallstones. But hey, if it works for you and you can do what you need to do, go for it.
    - johnkpaul 4y ago
      Thank you! That’s quite an open attitude and I really appreciate it. I have many doctor family members that do not share it. I’m almost 6 years deep to this diet and my yearly lipid/glucose/blood work up has been all good. Both my actual doctor and my family members have been very concerned about my BUN and creatinine levels.
      - jleyank 4y ago
        I would think so, as those numbers being high cause a “reduce protein” discussion. Perhaps check your uric acid from time to time so as to avoid gout as this is usually omitted when testing.

SpikeDad 4y ago

And what conclusion should be draw about you and your family and it's preferences?

johnkpaul 4y ago
Hah, I’m not sure if one point of anecdata can be meaningfully drawn on but at the very least I’m hopeful that the idea of children categorically not-consuming sweet foods becomes less demonized over time. Im sure my children when older will make their own decisions but not giving ice cream to a 2 year old isn’t harmful.

jleyank 4y ago

Do you mean added sugars or fake sugars, or are you really trying to make due with polysaccharides and a little bit of glucose? Didn’t think ketosis is a good long term source of energy…. The engine is build to run on sugar (Krebs cycle).

johnkpaul 4y ago
I mean both fake, added and natural. My family does not have any sweet fruits, for example. I myself am pure carnivore but my children do have broccoli and cauliflower. You’re correct that Krebs cycle is involved but it’s a cycle so the inputs do not have to be solely carbohydrates. Here are more details https://ketoschool.com/summarizing-the-science-behind-ketogenic-low-carb-diets-adc72a3ade8 https://ketoschool.com/summarizing-the-science-behind-ketoge...
- jleyank 4y ago
  well, keep an eye on what this diet does to liver and kidneys and if it's high-fat watch out for gallstones. But hey, if it works for you and you can do what you need to do, go for it.
  - johnkpaul 4y ago
    Thank you! That’s quite an open attitude and I really appreciate it. I have many doctor family members that do not share it. I’m almost 6 years deep to this diet and my yearly lipid/glucose/blood work up has been all good. Both my actual doctor and my family members have been very concerned about my BUN and creatinine levels.
    - jleyank 4y ago
      I would think so, as those numbers being high cause a “reduce protein” discussion. Perhaps check your uric acid from time to time so as to avoid gout as this is usually omitted when testing.