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What surprises me is that I as a dutch citizen working in cyber security, have heard nothing about these new laws. Maybe I've been neglecting the right sources,

by rocqua 4y ago

What surprises me is that I as a dutch citizen working in cyber security, have heard nothing about these new laws. Maybe I've been neglecting the right sources, but this change feels (up to now) very under the radar and uncontested. I hope this will put some more emphasis on this new law. edit: Having looked into this a bit more, two things stand out: - The law is temporary - The justification is being able to counter nation states with an offensive cyber programme.

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belter 4y ago
"The Netherlands, a surveillance state?" - https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/the-netherlands-a-surveillance-state\ https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/the-netherlands-a-surveillan... https://wetgevingskalender.overheid.nl/regeling/WGK012972 https://wetgevingskalender.overheid.nl/regeling/WGK012972 "The Dutch government wants to continue to spy on activists’ social media" - https://racismandtechnology.center/2022/05/11/the-dutch-government-wants-to-continue-to-spy-on-activists-social-media/#more-1602 https://racismandtechnology.center/2022/05/11/the-dutch-gove... https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2022/03/31/wij-lieten-ons-horen-tegen-de-nctv-als-derde-inlichtingendienst/ https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2022/03/31/wij-lieten-ons-horen... "...The government service NCTV creates fake accounts, follows people online and shares analyzes with the police or municipalities..." - https://www.amnesty.nl/forms/pet-nctv https://www.amnesty.nl/forms/pet-nctv
danuker 4y ago
> The law is temporary In 1971: "I have directed Secretary Connally to suspend temporarily the convertibility of the dollar into gold or other reserve assets" Still goes on today, 51 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock
- klabb3 4y ago
  “Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program” – Milton Friedman
- tgv 4y ago
  The Netherlands still has a court that can overrule the government, and actually has told it drop to the temporary covid/lock-down laws, because they should be repaced by permanent laws, supported by both chambers or parliament. If the government wouldn't do that, these laws would be voided.
Sjonny 4y ago
> The law is temporary I'm not so sure about this. In the article he states: > Once it became clear the intended law would likely pass parliament and in the dutch version it sounds even worse to me: > Na het verschijnen van het advies van de Raad van State is mij duidelijk geworden dat de verruiming van de bevoegdheden en de verschuiving van het toezicht niet meer ongedaan zullen worden gemaakt. I can't really tell for sure if he thinks this law is here to stay, but me being a pessimist when it comes down to government, I think there is nothing temporary about this.
- rocqua 4y ago
  The actual law is called "tijdelijke wet ...". That doesn't mean the sentiment change behind the law isn't permanent, and it might (but I don't believe so) be a temporary law that is extended indefinitely. But the law, as written and intended is temporary. I think that should factor into the discussion (as should the fact that sometimes people call a thing temporary whilst intending for it to be permanent).
tgv 4y ago
Has been reported in NRC.

by rocqua 4y ago

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belter 4y ago

"The Netherlands, a surveillance state?" - https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/the-netherlands-a-surveillance-state\ https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/the-netherlands-a-surveillan... https://wetgevingskalender.overheid.nl/regeling/WGK012972 https://wetgevingskalender.overheid.nl/regeling/WGK012972 "The Dutch government wants to continue to spy on activists’ social media" - https://racismandtechnology.center/2022/05/11/the-dutch-government-wants-to-continue-to-spy-on-activists-social-media/#more-1602 https://racismandtechnology.center/2022/05/11/the-dutch-gove... https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2022/03/31/wij-lieten-ons-horen-tegen-de-nctv-als-derde-inlichtingendienst/ https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2022/03/31/wij-lieten-ons-horen... "...The government service NCTV creates fake accounts, follows people online and shares analyzes with the police or municipalities..." - https://www.amnesty.nl/forms/pet-nctv https://www.amnesty.nl/forms/pet-nctv

danuker 4y ago

> The law is temporary In 1971: "I have directed Secretary Connally to suspend temporarily the convertibility of the dollar into gold or other reserve assets" Still goes on today, 51 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock

klabb3 4y ago
“Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program” – Milton Friedman
tgv 4y ago
The Netherlands still has a court that can overrule the government, and actually has told it drop to the temporary covid/lock-down laws, because they should be repaced by permanent laws, supported by both chambers or parliament. If the government wouldn't do that, these laws would be voided.

Sjonny 4y ago

> The law is temporary I'm not so sure about this. In the article he states: > Once it became clear the intended law would likely pass parliament and in the dutch version it sounds even worse to me: > Na het verschijnen van het advies van de Raad van State is mij duidelijk geworden dat de verruiming van de bevoegdheden en de verschuiving van het toezicht niet meer ongedaan zullen worden gemaakt. I can't really tell for sure if he thinks this law is here to stay, but me being a pessimist when it comes down to government, I think there is nothing temporary about this.

rocqua 4y ago
The actual law is called "tijdelijke wet ...". That doesn't mean the sentiment change behind the law isn't permanent, and it might (but I don't believe so) be a temporary law that is extended indefinitely. But the law, as written and intended is temporary. I think that should factor into the discussion (as should the fact that sometimes people call a thing temporary whilst intending for it to be permanent).

tgv 4y ago

Has been reported in NRC.