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That's quite a bit different than activist school employees puting pornographic materials in the school libraries for children to read, and then saying parents

That's quite a bit different than activist school employees puting pornographic materials in the school libraries for children to read, and then saying parents are 'bullying' them. Here's a different take than the NYT: https://texasscorecard.com/state/parents-continue-testifying-against-pornographic-books-in-school-libraries/ https://texasscorecard.com/state/parents-continue-testifying...

sofixa 4y ago
As per the TFA, the books aren't pornographic and have been in libraries for literally decades.
nicolas_t 4y ago
How is a children book like I Need a New Butt! pornographic?? I mean it's very silly humour for sure but nah, it's not pornographic at all.
- tomohawk 4y ago
  - nicolas_t 4y ago
    Can you give examples of books that are really problematic? Because the ones listed by NYT are definitely not. Even the one listed by your link "Queerfully and Wonderfully Made?" is just a book for teenagers who are questioning their sexuality. Nothing pornographic there and I'm glad if teens who are wondering get the information they need.
    - krapp 4y ago
      The whole moral panic around "grooming" is just a witch-hunt perpetrated by post-Trump Republicans. It's literally just QAnon's bullshit about secret leftist pedophiles weaponized to create support for anti-trans and LGBT legislation. [0]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-so-many-conservatives-are-talking-about-grooming-all-of-a-sudden/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-so-many-conservativ...
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >Many of the materials parents want removed are actually illegal to give to minors - that's how extreme they are. Which materials? Please be specific, as I don't want my kids exposed to such things. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated!
defrost 4y ago
Chinese authorities made a call that a book about sheep and wolves was a sedituous political work. Texas school boards being overtaken with funding from Patriot Mobile, a far-right Christian cell phone company, are making calls that some books are pornographic despite some having been on shelves for decades. As an Australian parent and grandparent I have no issue with books and songs about butts. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_DwDvxGCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_DwDvxGCw Pornography is often in the eye and the mind of the puritan. [2] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/05/texas-phone-company-conservative-takeover-schools https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/05/texas-phone-...
kthejoker2 4y ago
I'm a parent down here in Texas fighting blowhard book banning parent groups. First, this "take" is nonsense. Pornography is "I know it when I see it" - so show me the goods, you can't just declare Nabokov's Lolita "obscene" prima facie - and second, TEA (Texas Education Association) already has a policy regarding declaring books "inappropriate" for school libraries. https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/efb-local-library-materials.pdf https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/efb-local-library-... They are not making this a huge issue (good enough for the NYT) because some bulk book buying system incidentally brought in a book that falls afoul of this policy. The policy worked! The out of policy books were identified and removed. This is 100% about controlling others and their beliefs on race, ethnicity, sexuality, gender identity, and (based on my own experiences thus far) religion and political affiliation as well. These people are hypocrites, pure Wilhoit conservatives (an in group that the law protects but does not bind), they're anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers (don't tell me how to parent!) who think their little snowflake will turn gay or racially sensitive or (God forbid) openminded through ... memoir osmosis? ... and so want to ban those books in a library so no one else's kids can read them either (let me tell everyone else how to parent) Nobody is forcing anyone to read every book in the library. The great thing about libraries is they contain both mirrored and windowed media, and it's up to you the reader to choose the books you want to read and decide for yourself if those ideas are any good or not.
panarky 4y ago
Curious how someone can support banning books while simultaneously railing against "cancel culture". https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=tomohawk%20cancel%20culture&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

sofixa 4y ago

As per the TFA, the books aren't pornographic and have been in libraries for literally decades.

nicolas_t 4y ago

How is a children book like I Need a New Butt! pornographic?? I mean it's very silly humour for sure but nah, it's not pornographic at all.

tomohawk 4y ago
- nicolas_t 4y ago
  Can you give examples of books that are really problematic? Because the ones listed by NYT are definitely not. Even the one listed by your link "Queerfully and Wonderfully Made?" is just a book for teenagers who are questioning their sexuality. Nothing pornographic there and I'm glad if teens who are wondering get the information they need.
  - krapp 4y ago
    The whole moral panic around "grooming" is just a witch-hunt perpetrated by post-Trump Republicans. It's literally just QAnon's bullshit about secret leftist pedophiles weaponized to create support for anti-trans and LGBT legislation. [0]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-so-many-conservatives-are-talking-about-grooming-all-of-a-sudden/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-so-many-conservativ...
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >Many of the materials parents want removed are actually illegal to give to minors - that's how extreme they are. Which materials? Please be specific, as I don't want my kids exposed to such things. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated!

defrost 4y ago

Chinese authorities made a call that a book about sheep and wolves was a sedituous political work. Texas school boards being overtaken with funding from Patriot Mobile, a far-right Christian cell phone company, are making calls that some books are pornographic despite some having been on shelves for decades. As an Australian parent and grandparent I have no issue with books and songs about butts. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_DwDvxGCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g_DwDvxGCw Pornography is often in the eye and the mind of the puritan. [2] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/05/texas-phone-company-conservative-takeover-schools https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/05/texas-phone-...

kthejoker2 4y ago

I'm a parent down here in Texas fighting blowhard book banning parent groups. First, this "take" is nonsense. Pornography is "I know it when I see it" - so show me the goods, you can't just declare Nabokov's Lolita "obscene" prima facie - and second, TEA (Texas Education Association) already has a policy regarding declaring books "inappropriate" for school libraries. https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/efb-local-library-materials.pdf https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/efb-local-library-... They are not making this a huge issue (good enough for the NYT) because some bulk book buying system incidentally brought in a book that falls afoul of this policy. The policy worked! The out of policy books were identified and removed. This is 100% about controlling others and their beliefs on race, ethnicity, sexuality, gender identity, and (based on my own experiences thus far) religion and political affiliation as well. These people are hypocrites, pure Wilhoit conservatives (an in group that the law protects but does not bind), they're anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers (don't tell me how to parent!) who think their little snowflake will turn gay or racially sensitive or (God forbid) openminded through ... memoir osmosis? ... and so want to ban those books in a library so no one else's kids can read them either (let me tell everyone else how to parent) Nobody is forcing anyone to read every book in the library. The great thing about libraries is they contain both mirrored and windowed media, and it's up to you the reader to choose the books you want to read and decide for yourself if those ideas are any good or not.

panarky 4y ago

Curious how someone can support banning books while simultaneously railing against "cancel culture". https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=tomohawk%20cancel%20culture&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...