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There is no warrant. Yes, there is. The issue is whether anybody should have the power to grant such a warrant, not that warrants were not obtained.

by GHFigs 15y ago

wavephorm 15y ago
What warrant? Nobody is being charged with a crime. The government is just shutting down websites it wants to without any due process.
- GHFigs 15y ago
  What warrant? A seizure warrant, as signed by a judge. (Compare "search warrant", "arrest warrant"). Nobody is being charged with a crime. That's not what a warrant is. Warrants are issued on the basis of probable cause. You probably understand this already with regard to search warrants: a prosecutor doesn't have to have filed charges against a person before the police can obtain a search warrant in the course of investigating the crime. The police only need to show that there is cause to conduct the search. But more to the point of people not being charged: I'm not conversant in every relevant detail, but I presume the reason nobody is being charged in these cases is that the owners of these domains are unknown and outside of the US, besides. But again: nobody being charged doesn't mean warrants weren't issued for the seizures. The two are not the same thing.
GHFigs 15y ago
It confuses me that this particular comment was found objectionable by at least six people. You guys are weird, sometimes. Here is an example of a warrant of seizure issued by the United States District Court, Southern District of New York to "Any Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent or any other law enforcement officer authorized by law" to seize certain domains: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/30/Warrant.pdf http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/30/Warrant.pdf I apologize for not expending the energy to produce a copy of every warrant for every domain ever seized, but I am not personally burdened with such indomitable doubts as to their existence that others seem to be.
- wavephorm 15y ago
  Thanks for finding this. I was under the impression the FBI was just moving in like thugs. Still reading this warrant, it is so vague what the charges are. And I wonder, among all the people that had domains seized, were any found not-guilty and had their domains returned? Somehow I doubt it.

There is no warrant. Yes, there is. The issue is whether anybody should have the power to grant such a warrant, not that warrants were not obtained.

by GHFigs 15y ago

There is no warrant. Yes, there is. The issue is whether anybody should have the power to grant such a warrant, not that warrants were not obtained.

wavephorm 15y ago

What warrant? Nobody is being charged with a crime. The government is just shutting down websites it wants to without any due process.

GHFigs 15y ago
What warrant? A seizure warrant, as signed by a judge. (Compare "search warrant", "arrest warrant"). Nobody is being charged with a crime. That's not what a warrant is. Warrants are issued on the basis of probable cause. You probably understand this already with regard to search warrants: a prosecutor doesn't have to have filed charges against a person before the police can obtain a search warrant in the course of investigating the crime. The police only need to show that there is cause to conduct the search. But more to the point of people not being charged: I'm not conversant in every relevant detail, but I presume the reason nobody is being charged in these cases is that the owners of these domains are unknown and outside of the US, besides. But again: nobody being charged doesn't mean warrants weren't issued for the seizures. The two are not the same thing.

GHFigs 15y ago

It confuses me that this particular comment was found objectionable by at least six people. You guys are weird, sometimes. Here is an example of a warrant of seizure issued by the United States District Court, Southern District of New York to "Any Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent or any other law enforcement officer authorized by law" to seize certain domains: http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/30/Warrant.pdf http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/30/Warrant.pdf I apologize for not expending the energy to produce a copy of every warrant for every domain ever seized, but I am not personally burdened with such indomitable doubts as to their existence that others seem to be.

wavephorm 15y ago
Thanks for finding this. I was under the impression the FBI was just moving in like thugs. Still reading this warrant, it is so vague what the charges are. And I wonder, among all the people that had domains seized, were any found not-guilty and had their domains returned? Somehow I doubt it.