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IT has nothing to do with carriers supporting eSIM or not. With eSIM comes activation processes where carriers can make pricing decisions. Have an iPhone or com

by mdmglr 4y ago

IT has nothing to do with carriers supporting eSIM or not. With eSIM comes activation processes where carriers can make pricing decisions. Have an iPhone or coming from the US? There's a different higher price for you. Today you can buy a sim at any carrier store or cell shop around the world and insert it into your phone. Zero hassle. Fair pricing. eSIM opens the floodgates for carriers to lock you in or implement stupid rules. I bet Verizon and ATT are salivating the ability to lock down the eSIM. Also eSIM being less hackable than the SIM? Time will tell. Im sure the NSO Group is already working on that.

intev 4y ago
> Today you can buy a sim at any carrier store or cell shop around the world and insert it into your phone. Zero hassle. The exact same is possible is with an e-sim. Have you ever used an e-sim? It's literally a QR code the carrier hands you that you need to scan. You can scan it with any e-sim compatible phone. This is the equivalent of "inserting the sim into any phone" except without the actual insertion. > I bet Verizon and ATT are salivating the ability to lock down the eSIM. Assuming you are a new iPhone user? ATT locked the sim down for iphones in the first few years. Not sure how it is now, but earlier I couldnt use my phone with any other carrier unless I begged ATT to unlock it. I once had to show them my travel documents to say that I just needed it for a short while so I can use a foreign sim on what they considered their phone. So this is nothing new, and e-sim doesnt improve or worsen the situation.
- mdmglr 4y ago
  We shall see. My hope is eSIM is as seamless and bs free as a physical sim. The Pro Max 14 will be my first eSIM phone.
bestham 4y ago
All this is possible with standard SIMs. The SIM is just a trust anchor, a token. What that token means for the telco in terms of services and pricing is entirely up to the telco. eSIM is just a way to connect to the HSM that is already soldered on the phone at manufacture. The only problem is that if you damage your phone you have to bootstrap a new “onboarding” and cannot just extract the SIM and put it in a new phone.
- addicted 4y ago
  Ah yes, the old Apple fan trick of comparing feature B to feature A, when the real comparison is feature B to (feature A + feature B). Apple is not taking us from a physical SIM to an eSIM world. Apple is taking us from a physical SIM + eSIM to an only eSIM world. All the arguments in this thread so far in favor of Apple’s decision fail when considering this reality.
ev1 4y ago
> I bet Verizon and ATT are salivating the ability to lock down the eSIM. I already have to deal with this bullshit. ATT has a device whitelist that they refuse to deviate from - you cannot just put a SIM into any device you want. ATT also will not give you a physical eSIM (they deliver their eSIMs on cardboard cards as QR codes printed; I have not been able to remotely provision one, they charge for these, and stores run out frequently)

by mdmglr 4y ago

intev 4y ago

> Today you can buy a sim at any carrier store or cell shop around the world and insert it into your phone. Zero hassle. The exact same is possible is with an e-sim. Have you ever used an e-sim? It's literally a QR code the carrier hands you that you need to scan. You can scan it with any e-sim compatible phone. This is the equivalent of "inserting the sim into any phone" except without the actual insertion. > I bet Verizon and ATT are salivating the ability to lock down the eSIM. Assuming you are a new iPhone user? ATT locked the sim down for iphones in the first few years. Not sure how it is now, but earlier I couldnt use my phone with any other carrier unless I begged ATT to unlock it. I once had to show them my travel documents to say that I just needed it for a short while so I can use a foreign sim on what they considered their phone. So this is nothing new, and e-sim doesnt improve or worsen the situation.

mdmglr 4y ago
We shall see. My hope is eSIM is as seamless and bs free as a physical sim. The Pro Max 14 will be my first eSIM phone.

bestham 4y ago

All this is possible with standard SIMs. The SIM is just a trust anchor, a token. What that token means for the telco in terms of services and pricing is entirely up to the telco. eSIM is just a way to connect to the HSM that is already soldered on the phone at manufacture. The only problem is that if you damage your phone you have to bootstrap a new “onboarding” and cannot just extract the SIM and put it in a new phone.

addicted 4y ago
Ah yes, the old Apple fan trick of comparing feature B to feature A, when the real comparison is feature B to (feature A + feature B). Apple is not taking us from a physical SIM to an eSIM world. Apple is taking us from a physical SIM + eSIM to an only eSIM world. All the arguments in this thread so far in favor of Apple’s decision fail when considering this reality.

ev1 4y ago

> I bet Verizon and ATT are salivating the ability to lock down the eSIM. I already have to deal with this bullshit. ATT has a device whitelist that they refuse to deviate from - you cannot just put a SIM into any device you want. ATT also will not give you a physical eSIM (they deliver their eSIMs on cardboard cards as QR codes printed; I have not been able to remotely provision one, they charge for these, and stores run out frequently)