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You might have a point hidden behind the hostility, but it's not very convincing when you scare-quote the word science and claim that no amount of contradicting

You might have a point hidden behind the hostility, but it's not very convincing when you scare-quote the word science and claim that no amount of contradicting data would make you change your mind. Is anything that comes in the form of an academic paper bullshit in your mind, or just the ones about plane air quality?

Dalewyn 4y ago
If anyone can scientifically demonstrate that aircraft cabin air is clean, sure I'm open to changing my mind. And no, not the air measured as it gets filtered; I'm talking about the air as it enters our noses while in the presence of several hundred tightly packed people with little elbow room. Practically speaking, anyone who has ever been inside an aircraft cabin can speak all day about that distinctive "aircraft smell": A cocktail of smells that reminds one of industrial petroleum products, aged metal and plastics, human sweat and other biological waste products, dust, and tired cloth, among many other unpleasant things. Noone is ever going to convince me that air that smells like /that/ is "clean", regardless how many layers of HEPA it's been through.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  >If anyone can scientifically demonstrate that aircraft cabin air is clean, sure I'm open to changing my mind. And >Noone is ever going to convince me that air that smells like /that/ is "clean" Seem to be at odds with each other. But, for what it's worth, I agree that there is a distinctive "aircraft smell" whenever I've flown, and I'm not particularly keen on breathing it in either.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    It's not contradictory; if anyone can scientifically demonstrate that air which smells foul is in fact clean, perhaps in defiance of natural instincts, I would have to concede it's clean because facts are facts. Thing is, I haven't seen anything from anyone to that effect other than the "air is cycled through HEPA" canned PR response which is hardly convincing. If there are scientific papers which note the contents of aircraft cabin air and compares it to objective definitions of clean air, coming to the conclusion the aircraft cabin air is clean, I'm interested and maybe they can change my mind.
    - AstralStorm 4y ago
      HEPA filters only remove particulates. VOCs (organic compounds) are reaponsible for the smells and these require more expensive carbon filters at the very least...

Dalewyn 4y ago

If anyone can scientifically demonstrate that aircraft cabin air is clean, sure I'm open to changing my mind. And no, not the air measured as it gets filtered; I'm talking about the air as it enters our noses while in the presence of several hundred tightly packed people with little elbow room. Practically speaking, anyone who has ever been inside an aircraft cabin can speak all day about that distinctive "aircraft smell": A cocktail of smells that reminds one of industrial petroleum products, aged metal and plastics, human sweat and other biological waste products, dust, and tired cloth, among many other unpleasant things. Noone is ever going to convince me that air that smells like /that/ is "clean", regardless how many layers of HEPA it's been through.

ziddoap 4y ago
>If anyone can scientifically demonstrate that aircraft cabin air is clean, sure I'm open to changing my mind. And >Noone is ever going to convince me that air that smells like /that/ is "clean" Seem to be at odds with each other. But, for what it's worth, I agree that there is a distinctive "aircraft smell" whenever I've flown, and I'm not particularly keen on breathing it in either.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  It's not contradictory; if anyone can scientifically demonstrate that air which smells foul is in fact clean, perhaps in defiance of natural instincts, I would have to concede it's clean because facts are facts. Thing is, I haven't seen anything from anyone to that effect other than the "air is cycled through HEPA" canned PR response which is hardly convincing. If there are scientific papers which note the contents of aircraft cabin air and compares it to objective definitions of clean air, coming to the conclusion the aircraft cabin air is clean, I'm interested and maybe they can change my mind.
  - AstralStorm 4y ago
    HEPA filters only remove particulates. VOCs (organic compounds) are reaponsible for the smells and these require more expensive carbon filters at the very least...