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What value does this school provide compare to let's say Ohio State? Cost 2x more with approximately the same rated programs, and much worse STEM like programs

What value does this school provide compare to let's say Ohio State? Cost 2x more with approximately the same rated programs, and much worse STEM like programs. If I recall a big part of it was kids who couldn't get in anywhere else can took massive loans for a small college experience. And had equally small outcomes. This college is very much a scam that provides an income for its staff at the expense of its student body.

tartoran 4y ago
I don’t believe Oberlin is a scam though I think they messed up quite big with this case. By this logic a lot of private unis are scams which is quite a large brush to paint with.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  All these little private schools charging $80k/year are part of a scam. The scam is the federal US government lending students a blank check with no underwriting as long as it is spent at an “accredited” school. And then the young adult emerges from the school with $100k and $200k and $300k of debt while only able to earn income of $60k to $80k per year.
  - spacechild1 4y ago
    I don't really know about typical artist's fees in the US, but I would expect most musicians to make less than $60k - unless they play in a renowned orchestra. If someone has some actual numbers or first-hand experience, I would be glad.
- frozenport 4y ago
  Indeed, a lot of them are scams. At least with private ivy league schools like Cornell you have ranking advantage, but with Oberlin they are tricking kids into paying top-tier tuition for bottom-tier ranking.
  - Der_Einzige 4y ago
    If you're trying to work in progressive circles, Oberlin is actually a high ranking place. There is a metagame with getting employment or opportunity within grievance studies.
pyuser583 4y ago
I really doubt the staff are making much money.
aryanmann 4y ago
For what it's worth, numbers like 80k per annum are usually sticker price. In my experience, very very few people end up paying that kind of money. Most of my friends were paying about 20-35k instead. Still a lot but not "80k per year".

tartoran 4y ago

I don’t believe Oberlin is a scam though I think they messed up quite big with this case. By this logic a lot of private unis are scams which is quite a large brush to paint with.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
All these little private schools charging $80k/year are part of a scam. The scam is the federal US government lending students a blank check with no underwriting as long as it is spent at an “accredited” school. And then the young adult emerges from the school with $100k and $200k and $300k of debt while only able to earn income of $60k to $80k per year.
- spacechild1 4y ago
  I don't really know about typical artist's fees in the US, but I would expect most musicians to make less than $60k - unless they play in a renowned orchestra. If someone has some actual numbers or first-hand experience, I would be glad.
frozenport 4y ago
Indeed, a lot of them are scams. At least with private ivy league schools like Cornell you have ranking advantage, but with Oberlin they are tricking kids into paying top-tier tuition for bottom-tier ranking.
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  If you're trying to work in progressive circles, Oberlin is actually a high ranking place. There is a metagame with getting employment or opportunity within grievance studies.

pyuser583 4y ago

I really doubt the staff are making much money.

aryanmann 4y ago

For what it's worth, numbers like 80k per annum are usually sticker price. In my experience, very very few people end up paying that kind of money. Most of my friends were paying about 20-35k instead. Still a lot but not "80k per year".