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You're leaving out the detail that the CSAM scanning and detection would only occur if you upload your photos to iCloud. If you don't have iCloud photos turned

You're leaving out the detail that the CSAM scanning and detection would only occur if you upload your photos to iCloud. If you don't have iCloud photos turned on, the scanning wouldn't happen. Additionally, scanning would happen on-device at time of upload and not on Apple's servers.

gonehome 4y ago
Not only that but Apple’s only matched hashes of known CSAM kept in the NCMEC database. Google meanwhile scans for algorithmically determined new content and ruins people’s lives without any ability to appeal (even after national news coverage): https://stratechery.com/2022/rights-laws-and-google/ https://stratechery.com/2022/rights-laws-and-google/ Also Apple was clearly doing this so they could enable e2e encryption on iCloud.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  They were doing it as a favor to the DOJ to avoid an investigation into their business practices.
  - kikokikokiko 4y ago
    To be fair they were probably doing it as a disguise to the real goal: spy on everything you do on your phone and send it to the "authorities", no questions asked. Before the autists noticed it after it was implemented, Apple simply announced beforehand that it's devices would start spying on you, but it's to protect the kids you know...
    - type0 4y ago
      > but it's to protect the kids you know... Yeah, but the big question still remains, do they protect me from terrorists as well?
      - DesiLurker 4y ago
        ya thats BS argument, I dont need my cellphone os to protect me from terrorists I need them to protect my privacy from unnecessary overreach from govt. having a completely surveilled society will will protect you from most of the attacks but to most people the cost will be unbearable. I thought that was quite settled after snow-den disclosures.
kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
> If you don't have iCloud photos turned on, the scanning wouldn't happen At first. Then some legislator gets the bright idea mandate on-device scanning or someone adds a dark pattern to trick people into uploading to iCloud without realizing the ramifications. Having that capability is a threat to privacy even if it is initially configurable.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  This is what happened in the google case. The photos were immediately auto uploaded to google photos because that’s the default configuration.

gonehome 4y ago

Not only that but Apple’s only matched hashes of known CSAM kept in the NCMEC database. Google meanwhile scans for algorithmically determined new content and ruins people’s lives without any ability to appeal (even after national news coverage): https://stratechery.com/2022/rights-laws-and-google/ https://stratechery.com/2022/rights-laws-and-google/ Also Apple was clearly doing this so they could enable e2e encryption on iCloud.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
They were doing it as a favor to the DOJ to avoid an investigation into their business practices.
- kikokikokiko 4y ago
  To be fair they were probably doing it as a disguise to the real goal: spy on everything you do on your phone and send it to the "authorities", no questions asked. Before the autists noticed it after it was implemented, Apple simply announced beforehand that it's devices would start spying on you, but it's to protect the kids you know...
  - type0 4y ago
    > but it's to protect the kids you know... Yeah, but the big question still remains, do they protect me from terrorists as well?
    - DesiLurker 4y ago
      ya thats BS argument, I dont need my cellphone os to protect me from terrorists I need them to protect my privacy from unnecessary overreach from govt. having a completely surveilled society will will protect you from most of the attacks but to most people the cost will be unbearable. I thought that was quite settled after snow-den disclosures.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

> If you don't have iCloud photos turned on, the scanning wouldn't happen At first. Then some legislator gets the bright idea mandate on-device scanning or someone adds a dark pattern to trick people into uploading to iCloud without realizing the ramifications. Having that capability is a threat to privacy even if it is initially configurable.

Gigachad 4y ago
This is what happened in the google case. The photos were immediately auto uploaded to google photos because that’s the default configuration.