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Time for NIMBYs to start suing the State. These requirements are mandated through ABAG and cities membership is compulsory. You can’t opt out of ABAG. Can’t gua

Time for NIMBYs to start suing the State. These requirements are mandated through ABAG and cities membership is compulsory. You can’t opt out of ABAG. Can’t guarantee that we won’t have rolling blackouts or water rationing or even provide basic law and order that is essentially the actual definition of a govt’s job…this nonsense has to stop.

stale2002 4y ago
The mandates are entirely legal, and people who oppose new housing have no legal leg to stand on. New housing is going to built, as that is what the law says. If you don't like it, then go try and change california law.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  No, it is not. The state can withhold funding if they don’t fill quotas. And cities can be sued. Cities would rather pay the fine that be subjugated under the thumb of regional governance. The only reason it seems like this goat rodeo is legal is because the elected representatives are pirates and there is no local governance in California. Now that must be challenged and Sacramento must be sued for playing dictator for the entire state when not everyone voted for the clowns running the show.
  - shuckles 4y ago
    Are you aware that land use authority is delegated to cities by the state and can be un-delegated if the state so chooses? What are you going to do, secede from California? Good luck.
    - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
      And that’s the problem. Local governance is lacking in California and the trust in regional governance is being eroded due to the abuse of the political system. Why should part of California secede? We are still a democracy. That’s why we should vote on this. Otherwise it’s taxation without representation and that should be illegal. It’s about time we put an end to this conversion attempt to communist regime in CA.
      - shuckles 4y ago
        Letting people do what they want with their own property isn’t communist, and the YIMBY platform polls very well statewide.
        rjbwork 4y ago
        "Letting people own private property and engage in usus, fructus, and abusus as they so choose is communism." That was absolutely hilarious. I really love finding me a "communism is when capitalism" out in the wild.
        jelliclesfarm 4y ago
        Do you have any numbers?
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  No, it is not. The state can withhold funding if they don’t fill quotas. And cities can be sued. Cities would rather pay the fine that be subjugated under the thumb of regional governance. The only reason it seems like this goat rodeo is legal is because the elected representatives are pirates and there is no local governance in California. Now that must be challenged and Sacramento must be sued for playing dictator for the entire state when not everyone voted for the clowns running the show. This is a game of political musical chairs where they are simply creating chaos by shuffling responsibility from county to county and city to city. If housing activist really want to create change, let them support NIMBYs request for local governance. So cities that support these mandates will get it done and NIMBYs will be powerless against majority vote. This whole YIMBY movement is a small sliver of the population and the vocal supporters are poseurs. They only donate and support this because they want to keep moving populations to other zipcodes than their own…covert crypto NIMBYs. California has more NIMBYs and crypto NIMBYs than YIMBYs. YIMBYs are a minority that is being played by the politicians. The rest of us suffer. If Sacramento really cared, with the billions they bilk from us in the form of taxes, everyone would have had a home. Maybe not in San Francisco or Bay Area while on welfare but everyone would have had a roof over their heads. Wake up. Can we please be honest and at least when YIMBYs stop throwing a tantrum and realize that they are only tolerated and coddled because they are a useful vote bank, we can get some work done. None wants anyone in their backyards. Not if they paid for their homes and their taxes and mortgages.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > it seems like this goat rodeo is legal is because the elected representatives are pirates and there is no local governance in California Go become a politician if you don't like it. The laws are passed, and the fines are legal. And these cities are going to be sued until they allow more housing. > by shuffling responsibility from county to county and city to city. Oh, but the shuffling will stop, due the the lawsuits. Either they allow the housing, or they will get sued. > If housing activist really want to create change Actually, it seems like the lawsuits will work just fine. > let them support NIMBYs request for local governance Why do that, when we can force cities to do certain things, with a lawsuit? > So cities that support these mandates will get it done Ok, but what if we want to force the cities, that oppose the mandates, to build more housing? That is the whole point of a mandate. To force a city, under threat of a lawsuit, to do something. > This whole YIMBY movement is a small sliver of the population Hey, it is a sliver that apparently is effectively getting laws passed!

stale2002 4y ago

The mandates are entirely legal, and people who oppose new housing have no legal leg to stand on. New housing is going to built, as that is what the law says. If you don't like it, then go try and change california law.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
No, it is not. The state can withhold funding if they don’t fill quotas. And cities can be sued. Cities would rather pay the fine that be subjugated under the thumb of regional governance. The only reason it seems like this goat rodeo is legal is because the elected representatives are pirates and there is no local governance in California. Now that must be challenged and Sacramento must be sued for playing dictator for the entire state when not everyone voted for the clowns running the show.
- shuckles 4y ago
  Are you aware that land use authority is delegated to cities by the state and can be un-delegated if the state so chooses? What are you going to do, secede from California? Good luck.
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    And that’s the problem. Local governance is lacking in California and the trust in regional governance is being eroded due to the abuse of the political system. Why should part of California secede? We are still a democracy. That’s why we should vote on this. Otherwise it’s taxation without representation and that should be illegal. It’s about time we put an end to this conversion attempt to communist regime in CA.
    - shuckles 4y ago
      Letting people do what they want with their own property isn’t communist, and the YIMBY platform polls very well statewide.
      - rjbwork 4y ago
        "Letting people own private property and engage in usus, fructus, and abusus as they so choose is communism." That was absolutely hilarious. I really love finding me a "communism is when capitalism" out in the wild.
      - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
        Do you have any numbers?
jelliclesfarm 4y ago
No, it is not. The state can withhold funding if they don’t fill quotas. And cities can be sued. Cities would rather pay the fine that be subjugated under the thumb of regional governance. The only reason it seems like this goat rodeo is legal is because the elected representatives are pirates and there is no local governance in California. Now that must be challenged and Sacramento must be sued for playing dictator for the entire state when not everyone voted for the clowns running the show. This is a game of political musical chairs where they are simply creating chaos by shuffling responsibility from county to county and city to city. If housing activist really want to create change, let them support NIMBYs request for local governance. So cities that support these mandates will get it done and NIMBYs will be powerless against majority vote. This whole YIMBY movement is a small sliver of the population and the vocal supporters are poseurs. They only donate and support this because they want to keep moving populations to other zipcodes than their own…covert crypto NIMBYs. California has more NIMBYs and crypto NIMBYs than YIMBYs. YIMBYs are a minority that is being played by the politicians. The rest of us suffer. If Sacramento really cared, with the billions they bilk from us in the form of taxes, everyone would have had a home. Maybe not in San Francisco or Bay Area while on welfare but everyone would have had a roof over their heads. Wake up. Can we please be honest and at least when YIMBYs stop throwing a tantrum and realize that they are only tolerated and coddled because they are a useful vote bank, we can get some work done. None wants anyone in their backyards. Not if they paid for their homes and their taxes and mortgages.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > it seems like this goat rodeo is legal is because the elected representatives are pirates and there is no local governance in California Go become a politician if you don't like it. The laws are passed, and the fines are legal. And these cities are going to be sued until they allow more housing. > by shuffling responsibility from county to county and city to city. Oh, but the shuffling will stop, due the the lawsuits. Either they allow the housing, or they will get sued. > If housing activist really want to create change Actually, it seems like the lawsuits will work just fine. > let them support NIMBYs request for local governance Why do that, when we can force cities to do certain things, with a lawsuit? > So cities that support these mandates will get it done Ok, but what if we want to force the cities, that oppose the mandates, to build more housing? That is the whole point of a mandate. To force a city, under threat of a lawsuit, to do something. > This whole YIMBY movement is a small sliver of the population Hey, it is a sliver that apparently is effectively getting laws passed!