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I think there should be a generic rule for everything that the advertised price is something that you can actually pay and get the product. No $50 concert ticke

I think there should be a generic rule for everything that the advertised price is something that you can actually pay and get the product. No $50 concert tickets with $75 of fees, advertising that for less than $125 should be illegal. Of course I'm sure people will get creative with "optional" upsells, the $50 ticket is in the building but highly obstructed, but I think this is at least a huge step forward.

grecy 4y ago
Australia has extremely strong consumer protections on things like this. It's really nice.
silvestrov 4y ago
Nederlands has this rule in the law (as far as I know). You cannot sell a $50 ticket with a surprise $10 fee. The product you sell must be fully usable at the advertised price.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
  I wonder how AirBnB gets around this. If you search for listings in The Netherlands you can see the service and cleaning fee not being added in on the map view, which seems like it’s a violation of the law you speak of.
  - zihotki 4y ago
    They can apply it only for people either visiting from NL, or having their billing address in NL, or something like that.
    - SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
      I just went to airbnb.nl with my NL VPN active (I’m a US resident that was previously searching from airbnb.com) and sure enough the map prices show the actual price with all taxes and fees included when you visit airbnb.nl with a Dutch VPN active, unlike the American site. It also shows the price with all fees included if you visit airbnb.nl from the United States with no VPN active. Interestingly, if you visit with the Dutch VPN active but instead on airbnb.com, you also see the price with everything included on the map regardless of whether the map search you are doing is in the NL or the USA. But if you visit airbnb.com from the USA without VPN and search for a destination in NL (or USA, but that might be obvious) you don’t get prices with fees included. So it appears that AirBnB checks for either originating IP in NL or visiting via airbnb.nl to determine the behavior as of the time of this post. This is actually a great trick for me to learn as a States resident for when I want to browse AirBnB’s - I can just turn on my Dutch VPN for actual, non bullshit pricing on the map.
- mtnGoat 4y ago
  Isn’t this actually an EU wide regulation?
ericd 4y ago
Hear hear, make it include tax and tip, too.
- briffle 4y ago
  I live in Oregon (no sales tax), and it boggles my mind when travelling out of state that the $10 item at the store is suddenly $10.50 once tax is included. Why is it not included in the price?
  - ganoushoreilly 4y ago
    State, County, and City taxes all vary wildly in different states. It's an annoyance for sure.
  - coryrc 4y ago
    IIRC you don't have to pay that in Washington, so you should still be paying the listed price :). Bit of an edge case though
    - mikestew 4y ago
      Though not exactly a [citation needed], but certainly [implementation details needed]. Like, what, you're in a Target in Vancouver, WA, you pull out your OR driver license, and now they wave the sales tax? Or save the receipt and take it off your OR taxes later? In the case of the former, okay, I'd do that. For the latter, no, I'm not adding a piece of paper to the pile to save $0.50.
      - techsupporter 4y ago
        This used to be the case, and Target was exactly one of the companies that made it exactly like this. You'd show your Oregon ID card and the sales tax would be removed (the seller could claim against their sales tax due for a non-resident sale). However, this was intended to benefit border cities--Vancouver, WA in particular really liked it--but Washington State has no income tax and so is heavily reliant on sales tax. So, as of July 1 2019, the exemption (on state sales tax; local sales tax isn't covered here) may only be claimed post-transaction by the buyer: https://dor.wa.gov/taxes-rates/retail-sales-tax/sales-tax-exemption-nonresidents https://dor.wa.gov/taxes-rates/retail-sales-tax/sales-tax-ex...
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3np 4y ago
Shouldn't the same reasoning apply to search results? It should be illegal to claim "500000 results" but require additional spending of time, attention, data, and AI training work for each additional 200.
shepherdjerred 4y ago
Nathan is one step ahead of you https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=114 https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=114
refurb 4y ago
These are the kind of regulations that the government can introduce that actually help, not hurt markets. When you take on a mortgage today, every mortgage has a standard coversheet that is identical between all lenders and lays out all the costs, interest rates and monthly payment in the exact same way. That's a positive - increased transparency for consumers with minimal burden on businesses.

grecy 4y ago

Australia has extremely strong consumer protections on things like this. It's really nice.

silvestrov 4y ago

Nederlands has this rule in the law (as far as I know). You cannot sell a $50 ticket with a surprise $10 fee. The product you sell must be fully usable at the advertised price.

SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
I wonder how AirBnB gets around this. If you search for listings in The Netherlands you can see the service and cleaning fee not being added in on the map view, which seems like it’s a violation of the law you speak of.
- zihotki 4y ago
  They can apply it only for people either visiting from NL, or having their billing address in NL, or something like that.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
    I just went to airbnb.nl with my NL VPN active (I’m a US resident that was previously searching from airbnb.com) and sure enough the map prices show the actual price with all taxes and fees included when you visit airbnb.nl with a Dutch VPN active, unlike the American site. It also shows the price with all fees included if you visit airbnb.nl from the United States with no VPN active. Interestingly, if you visit with the Dutch VPN active but instead on airbnb.com, you also see the price with everything included on the map regardless of whether the map search you are doing is in the NL or the USA. But if you visit airbnb.com from the USA without VPN and search for a destination in NL (or USA, but that might be obvious) you don’t get prices with fees included. So it appears that AirBnB checks for either originating IP in NL or visiting via airbnb.nl to determine the behavior as of the time of this post. This is actually a great trick for me to learn as a States resident for when I want to browse AirBnB’s - I can just turn on my Dutch VPN for actual, non bullshit pricing on the map.
mtnGoat 4y ago
Isn’t this actually an EU wide regulation?

ericd 4y ago

Hear hear, make it include tax and tip, too.

briffle 4y ago
I live in Oregon (no sales tax), and it boggles my mind when travelling out of state that the $10 item at the store is suddenly $10.50 once tax is included. Why is it not included in the price?
- ganoushoreilly 4y ago
  State, County, and City taxes all vary wildly in different states. It's an annoyance for sure.
- coryrc 4y ago
  IIRC you don't have to pay that in Washington, so you should still be paying the listed price :). Bit of an edge case though
  - mikestew 4y ago
    Though not exactly a [citation needed], but certainly [implementation details needed]. Like, what, you're in a Target in Vancouver, WA, you pull out your OR driver license, and now they wave the sales tax? Or save the receipt and take it off your OR taxes later? In the case of the former, okay, I'd do that. For the latter, no, I'm not adding a piece of paper to the pile to save $0.50.
    - techsupporter 4y ago
      This used to be the case, and Target was exactly one of the companies that made it exactly like this. You'd show your Oregon ID card and the sales tax would be removed (the seller could claim against their sales tax due for a non-resident sale). However, this was intended to benefit border cities--Vancouver, WA in particular really liked it--but Washington State has no income tax and so is heavily reliant on sales tax. So, as of July 1 2019, the exemption (on state sales tax; local sales tax isn't covered here) may only be claimed post-transaction by the buyer: https://dor.wa.gov/taxes-rates/retail-sales-tax/sales-tax-exemption-nonresidents https://dor.wa.gov/taxes-rates/retail-sales-tax/sales-tax-ex...

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3np 4y ago

Shouldn't the same reasoning apply to search results? It should be illegal to claim "500000 results" but require additional spending of time, attention, data, and AI training work for each additional 200.

shepherdjerred 4y ago

Nathan is one step ahead of you https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=114 https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=114

refurb 4y ago

These are the kind of regulations that the government can introduce that actually help, not hurt markets. When you take on a mortgage today, every mortgage has a standard coversheet that is identical between all lenders and lays out all the costs, interest rates and monthly payment in the exact same way. That's a positive - increased transparency for consumers with minimal burden on businesses.