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Why would the concept be at risk though? Will the species go extinct or would communists take over?

by gspetr 4y ago

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Why would the concept be at risk though? Property—at least real, as opposed to personal—property seems to be unlikely to survive as a thing in the absence of civilization, even the species survives, and “civilization-ending” was the scenario being discussed. > Will the species go extinct or would communists take over? Well, species-ending would be compatible with civilization-ending, but not necessary to it. Ideological communism probably wouldn't survive the end of civilization, either; the problem it addresses would no longer exist nor would there be means to implement most forms of it, nor would any people that survived probably have much energy for theory.
- gspetr 4y ago
  This seems like too much of a stretch. "A civilization is any complex society characterized by the development of a political state, social stratification, urbanization, and symbolic systems of communication beyond natural spoken language (namely, a writing system)." Even in most post-apocalypse antiutopia science fiction, all of these attributes are present except perhaps urbanization. E.g. a roving gang with a warlord at its helm has a political state and social stratification, and they would still have access to pencils.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Even in most post-apocalypse antiutopia science fiction, all of these attributes are present except perhaps urbanization. That's the key one for real property (well, settled agricultural society probably more than urbanization per se, but if you have one you probably have the other.) > E.g. a roving gang with a warlord at its helm has a political state and social stratification, and they would still have access to pencils. But probably not have a system of real (as opposed to personal) property. Which is my point.

Why would the concept be at risk though? Will the species go extinct or would communists take over?

by gspetr 4y ago

Why would the concept be at risk though? Will the species go extinct or would communists take over?

> Why would the concept be at risk though? Property—at least real, as opposed to personal—property seems to be unlikely to survive as a thing in the absence of civilization, even the species survives, and “civilization-ending” was the scenario being discussed. > Will the species go extinct or would communists take over? Well, species-ending would be compatible with civilization-ending, but not necessary to it. Ideological communism probably wouldn't survive the end of civilization, either; the problem it addresses would no longer exist nor would there be means to implement most forms of it, nor would any people that survived probably have much energy for theory.

gspetr 4y ago
This seems like too much of a stretch. "A civilization is any complex society characterized by the development of a political state, social stratification, urbanization, and symbolic systems of communication beyond natural spoken language (namely, a writing system)." Even in most post-apocalypse antiutopia science fiction, all of these attributes are present except perhaps urbanization. E.g. a roving gang with a warlord at its helm has a political state and social stratification, and they would still have access to pencils.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Even in most post-apocalypse antiutopia science fiction, all of these attributes are present except perhaps urbanization. That's the key one for real property (well, settled agricultural society probably more than urbanization per se, but if you have one you probably have the other.) > E.g. a roving gang with a warlord at its helm has a political state and social stratification, and they would still have access to pencils. But probably not have a system of real (as opposed to personal) property. Which is my point.