3 ms·

You were interested in buying a used Land Rover, of course they’re going to try and soak you. People that are good with money generally don’t buy used Land Rove

You were interested in buying a used Land Rover, of course they’re going to try and soak you. People that are good with money generally don’t buy used Land Rovers.

andrew_ 4y ago
I have a used Land Rover, got a great price on it, and it's been a very solid vehicle for my needs. Your assertion is dripping with bias, overly generalized, stereotyping, and is incredibly ignorant.
- guardiangod 4y ago
  When I was an intern a fellow intern got a 4 year old Land Rover. In the next 6 months he had to - Check engine light on. Checked multiple time. Never went away - Replace engine gasket - replace rear diff - replace rear axle (did the dealership broke this?) The forth one happened while he was returning from the manufacturer dealership for the 3rd issue, about half way to our town (about 90km left) The worst thing was, he actually bought warranty from the car dealership, but they managed to weasel out every single item. Pardon me if I am on the grandparent's side.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    I've had worse happen on a corolla not much older than that. Sadly in my experience if you buy used, it usually means someone leaked the fuck out of the oil / coolant or grinded the fuck out of the gears, trashed the differential or other bullshit and they performed some trick to make it undiscoverable for the next 500 miles and during the mechanical check. I've bought probably half a dozen "gently used low mileage" "reliable brand" (toyota/honda) and something critical has shit the bricks within a few months every single time. As the ol saying goes, nobody sells a vehicle they're happy with (of course people do, but they're predisposed to pawn off a dumpster fire by concealing the smoke with bags of tricks). With the used market such a shit-show right now it's almost no point to buy used anyway -- I finally just bought a new Toyota because the used ones with 100k+ miles were selling a few grand under MSRP.
    - guardiangod 4y ago
      Yes but your Collora's rear diff(heh) doesn't cost $7500 to replace. Also, morality aside, the resale-ability of your Collora is on the exact opposite end versus a used Land Rover.
      - dahfizz 4y ago
        This is something I don't think people understand about "luxury" cars. You may find a good deal on the sale price, but you're still paying the inflated repair bills. A $30k BMW is way more expensive than a $30k Toyota.
        ska 4y ago
        This is a lesson learned again and again buy 20-somethings who find a "great" deal on a luxury sedan the same age as they are....
        notch656a 4y ago
        Luxury make Lexus consistently ranks as one of the most reliable vehicle manufacturers. Are you sure luxury means you're going to end up with large repair bills?
        ska 4y ago
        In general relative to a similarly aged reliable economy car? Absolutely. All older cars require work, and the work on luxury brands typically is systemically more expensive. With Lexus you are cherry picking a bit though, their maintenance costs tend to be in line with other Toyota's, among the cheapest of all. They are an exception though, for luxury badges. The germans are mostly terrible for this, and the "premium" american badges are pretty bad too.
SilasX 4y ago
You mean the brand specifically, or used cars at all? I'd always heard (and acted on) the advice that the sweet spot when buying a car is a few years in, when you're no longer paying the shiny-and-new premium but it's otherwise reliable -- i.e. someone else has eaten the bulk of the depreciation. They generally segment out the bad-with-money crowd by the ridiculous financing/lease surcharges, not new vs used, right? (If anything, I'd say the bad-with-money people will unnecessarily prefer new over used.)
- ska 4y ago
  The sweet spot is a few years in, but also not a luxury badge. Reliability and service cost is a significant factor too. Landrover is a double whammy here, as it is a luxury badge (which typically puts you firmly in the overpriced parts and labor category) and has middling-to-poor reliability...
- robocat 4y ago
  Reliable information on future maintenance costs is hard to find, but https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expe... is a 2016 article which might help. Per model costs can only be reliably measured for old models. New models are usually difficult to predict. I think more generally product brands are becoming harder to use as predictors of good reliability. Disclaimer: I now avoid anything except 2nd hand Toyota - but New Zealand car market is weird due to 2nd hand imports from Japan
- quickthrowman 4y ago
  A used Toyota or Honda was typically a smart purchase before the recent used car shortage, and still sometimes a good deal even during the last two years. Used luxury cars in general aren’t a great deal, since you typically pay higher maintenance costs on a luxury car. They’re lower volume cars, so there are fewer parts made, leading to more expensive parts. Replacing the airbag suspension compressor in a Land Rover costs $5k+, each of the (four) suspension airbag costs a few thousand dollars to replace and they usually need replacing after 100k miles. Financing rates are how people who are bad with money with bad credit get fleeced, 17% 7 year loans for instance. There are people that are bad with money but have good credit, you fleece them by flattering their ego with an $1895 ‘executive concierge service’.
LorenPechtel 4y ago
Luxury car prices have luxury prices on maintenance & repairs. Used luxury cars are not a good deal.
- dghlsakjg 4y ago
  Japanese luxury cars tend to be the exception. My Lexus tends to be cheaper to run than my Nissan. But it is also old enough that it is mostly interchangeable with a Camry for parts

You were interested in buying a used Land Rover, of course they’re going to try and soak you. People that are good with money generally don’t buy used Land Rovers.

andrew_ 4y ago

I have a used Land Rover, got a great price on it, and it's been a very solid vehicle for my needs. Your assertion is dripping with bias, overly generalized, stereotyping, and is incredibly ignorant.

guardiangod 4y ago
When I was an intern a fellow intern got a 4 year old Land Rover. In the next 6 months he had to - Check engine light on. Checked multiple time. Never went away - Replace engine gasket - replace rear diff - replace rear axle (did the dealership broke this?) The forth one happened while he was returning from the manufacturer dealership for the 3rd issue, about half way to our town (about 90km left) The worst thing was, he actually bought warranty from the car dealership, but they managed to weasel out every single item. Pardon me if I am on the grandparent's side.
- notch656a 4y ago
  I've had worse happen on a corolla not much older than that. Sadly in my experience if you buy used, it usually means someone leaked the fuck out of the oil / coolant or grinded the fuck out of the gears, trashed the differential or other bullshit and they performed some trick to make it undiscoverable for the next 500 miles and during the mechanical check. I've bought probably half a dozen "gently used low mileage" "reliable brand" (toyota/honda) and something critical has shit the bricks within a few months every single time. As the ol saying goes, nobody sells a vehicle they're happy with (of course people do, but they're predisposed to pawn off a dumpster fire by concealing the smoke with bags of tricks). With the used market such a shit-show right now it's almost no point to buy used anyway -- I finally just bought a new Toyota because the used ones with 100k+ miles were selling a few grand under MSRP.
  - guardiangod 4y ago
    Yes but your Collora's rear diff(heh) doesn't cost $7500 to replace. Also, morality aside, the resale-ability of your Collora is on the exact opposite end versus a used Land Rover.
    - dahfizz 4y ago
      This is something I don't think people understand about "luxury" cars. You may find a good deal on the sale price, but you're still paying the inflated repair bills. A $30k BMW is way more expensive than a $30k Toyota.
      - ska 4y ago
        This is a lesson learned again and again buy 20-somethings who find a "great" deal on a luxury sedan the same age as they are....
      - notch656a 4y ago
        Luxury make Lexus consistently ranks as one of the most reliable vehicle manufacturers. Are you sure luxury means you're going to end up with large repair bills?
        ska 4y ago
        In general relative to a similarly aged reliable economy car? Absolutely. All older cars require work, and the work on luxury brands typically is systemically more expensive. With Lexus you are cherry picking a bit though, their maintenance costs tend to be in line with other Toyota's, among the cheapest of all. They are an exception though, for luxury badges. The germans are mostly terrible for this, and the "premium" american badges are pretty bad too.

SilasX 4y ago

You mean the brand specifically, or used cars at all? I'd always heard (and acted on) the advice that the sweet spot when buying a car is a few years in, when you're no longer paying the shiny-and-new premium but it's otherwise reliable -- i.e. someone else has eaten the bulk of the depreciation. They generally segment out the bad-with-money crowd by the ridiculous financing/lease surcharges, not new vs used, right? (If anything, I'd say the bad-with-money people will unnecessarily prefer new over used.)

ska 4y ago
The sweet spot is a few years in, but also not a luxury badge. Reliability and service cost is a significant factor too. Landrover is a double whammy here, as it is a luxury badge (which typically puts you firmly in the overpriced parts and labor category) and has middling-to-poor reliability...
robocat 4y ago
Reliable information on future maintenance costs is hard to find, but https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expe... is a 2016 article which might help. Per model costs can only be reliably measured for old models. New models are usually difficult to predict. I think more generally product brands are becoming harder to use as predictors of good reliability. Disclaimer: I now avoid anything except 2nd hand Toyota - but New Zealand car market is weird due to 2nd hand imports from Japan
quickthrowman 4y ago
A used Toyota or Honda was typically a smart purchase before the recent used car shortage, and still sometimes a good deal even during the last two years. Used luxury cars in general aren’t a great deal, since you typically pay higher maintenance costs on a luxury car. They’re lower volume cars, so there are fewer parts made, leading to more expensive parts. Replacing the airbag suspension compressor in a Land Rover costs $5k+, each of the (four) suspension airbag costs a few thousand dollars to replace and they usually need replacing after 100k miles. Financing rates are how people who are bad with money with bad credit get fleeced, 17% 7 year loans for instance. There are people that are bad with money but have good credit, you fleece them by flattering their ego with an $1895 ‘executive concierge service’.

LorenPechtel 4y ago

Luxury car prices have luxury prices on maintenance & repairs. Used luxury cars are not a good deal.

dghlsakjg 4y ago
Japanese luxury cars tend to be the exception. My Lexus tends to be cheaper to run than my Nissan. But it is also old enough that it is mostly interchangeable with a Camry for parts