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>you're basically expected to go through the backlog to hunt for things to do No, you're expected to feel a sense of ownership over and identification with the

>you're basically expected to go through the backlog to hunt for things to do No, you're expected to feel a sense of ownership over and identification with the system, and to have a fairly deep personal sense of itches that need scratching and ideas worth exploring. Some of those ideas may originate from other people, but if you need other people or an issue tracker to tell you what the backlog is, you're not really right for that kind of role.

ms4720 4y ago
Why should I feel a sense of ownership over something everyone, myself included, know I do not own? Really why? I have a sense of professional responsibility that says do my best at work because I take the money, but that is different. If I have unallocated and paid for time at work I look for things to fill it with that are valid work and improve my skills, or braindead things to fix like typos in the text or simple documentation updates. Both mean I am earning my pay and oddly enough I get a lot of props for the second and so does the engineering team overall for that work.
- slt2021 4y ago
  there are several tiers of companies, tech product focused companies tend to pay more, but they also require you to have sense of ownership for the product. Companies decided to pay more to have self-driven engineers that figure out by themselves what to do, rather than hire nanny for each engineer that gives and monitors tasks. totally cool if you dont have that, you can work at some bank or hospital and work in your own style, but the compensation will be smaller
  - Test0129 4y ago
    You can not own anything and be a self starter. I build things because it corresponds to more money, not because I consider my project my "stake". I couldnt care less what happens to it. I will make it maintainable for my own sanity and improve it so long as they pay me. I don't "own" anything. When I'm laid off I don't get to keep anything. So why should I care any more than I have to?
Test0129 4y ago
I'm not paid enough. Real ownership comes with a guarantee of future employment. Given my at will employment state I try to stay as disconnected from my work as possible. I work hard out of professional duty. Ownership is a scam sold by the C suite to get young developers to give up their 20s for 0 dollar options. If I feel a sense of ownership and I am suddenly laid off I'll feel angry and sad. If I view my work as a professional obligation to receive money then when I get let go I can disconnect and not feel any regret. Never own anything unless a board of directors decides your fate.
- closeparen 4y ago
  Funny, I guess this is a personality thing. There is no amount of money you could pay me to work somebody else’s todo list without the autonomy to scratch my own itches or shape my own work’s direction.

ms4720 4y ago

Why should I feel a sense of ownership over something everyone, myself included, know I do not own? Really why? I have a sense of professional responsibility that says do my best at work because I take the money, but that is different. If I have unallocated and paid for time at work I look for things to fill it with that are valid work and improve my skills, or braindead things to fix like typos in the text or simple documentation updates. Both mean I am earning my pay and oddly enough I get a lot of props for the second and so does the engineering team overall for that work.

slt2021 4y ago
there are several tiers of companies, tech product focused companies tend to pay more, but they also require you to have sense of ownership for the product. Companies decided to pay more to have self-driven engineers that figure out by themselves what to do, rather than hire nanny for each engineer that gives and monitors tasks. totally cool if you dont have that, you can work at some bank or hospital and work in your own style, but the compensation will be smaller
- Test0129 4y ago
  You can not own anything and be a self starter. I build things because it corresponds to more money, not because I consider my project my "stake". I couldnt care less what happens to it. I will make it maintainable for my own sanity and improve it so long as they pay me. I don't "own" anything. When I'm laid off I don't get to keep anything. So why should I care any more than I have to?

Test0129 4y ago

I'm not paid enough. Real ownership comes with a guarantee of future employment. Given my at will employment state I try to stay as disconnected from my work as possible. I work hard out of professional duty. Ownership is a scam sold by the C suite to get young developers to give up their 20s for 0 dollar options. If I feel a sense of ownership and I am suddenly laid off I'll feel angry and sad. If I view my work as a professional obligation to receive money then when I get let go I can disconnect and not feel any regret. Never own anything unless a board of directors decides your fate.

closeparen 4y ago
Funny, I guess this is a personality thing. There is no amount of money you could pay me to work somebody else’s todo list without the autonomy to scratch my own itches or shape my own work’s direction.