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Most 'high fatty foods' in diets of obese people are loaded with empty carbs and contain tons of sugar. Even if article is right on the desire for fats, it comp

Most 'high fatty foods' in diets of obese people are loaded with empty carbs and contain tons of sugar. Even if article is right on the desire for fats, it completely skips over sweets, cookies, sugared drinks and food with sugar added to it for practically no reason beyond taste. Even cheese is incredibly difficult to get obese from. Ask the keto people if they could eat 300g of cheese in the first week, most average people struggle with a mere 100g.

gremlinsinc 4y ago
I struggle to get 1200 calories when I'm doing keto. I'm over 400 pounds, I'm losing weight now from my depression med I switched to this past Spring (Wellbutrin), apparently depression led to more eating than I realized. I've made no changes at all other than I don't crave chocolate/sweets, and have been intermittently fasting a bit because I feel eating is just a waste of time anymore. I can't even suggest food to my wife for dinner because nothing sounds good, as in literally eating nothing sounds like better than eating dinner. I went 3 days without food just to test the craving thing and literally didn't have hunger pangs, or nothing. Zero desire for food. It was similar to how I felt when I'd first had weight loss surgery in 2012 when I was 690 (I'm a big guy, so I was still very mobile at 690, just probably 50 pounds maybe from not being so, and in pain/etc - I was 32 then, dropped to 500 in 2 years, and stayed between 415-515 ever since. Few years ago, I was doing crossfit, and keto and dropped to my lowest of 400 in 3 months from my starting weight of 515. Depression/anxiety from covid sent me back up to 515, and since may I've lost 50 pounds still drinking soda or whatever I want. Just not eating junk food, or sweets and probably eating less meals altogether. I also have switched to bottled soda, as I tend to drink less when I have to take a lid off something rather than sip from a straw. TLDR: I have much experience with this and when in ketosis fats are actually probably good for you, fat is always better for you than sugar, the low-fat fads have a history of being funded by the sugar industry. Low fat oreos that have the same amount of sugar will not make you weigh less. Period. If they cut out 100% of the fat, but none of the sugar you'd probably not lose a pound eating the same amount, hell you might gain weight if the fat actually made you eat less which it can do, but probably not when ghrellin is increased by the sugar intake. I could live off sticks of cheese, and 2 pounds of brisket per week probably and switch to flavored water over soda and lose 100 lbs easy and I'd struggle to hit 1200 calories. When I'm full of sugar I can easily hit 2-3k, I can't eat a lot at once but cakes are 'slider foods' and can basically go down easy 24/7. If I go to dinner w/ wife we usually get one main dish and a side to split between her, myself and two toddlers. My "sleeve" only allows so much 'heavy' food at once, so I get full fast. I get full faster if I don't drink w/ my meals, as that pushes it through my stomach faster. There's definitely some change that happens on keto, but I think the problem is maybe if you mix high fat AND high sugar, well sugar is evil period, but that's probably when you metabolise things differently and break things down differently. If fat/protein is your only food source no sugar, you start breaking down your own fat stores more and generally take in less calories. I dare anyone to eat sugar for 2 weeks, then switch to keto for 2 weeks and try to ingest the same amount of calories. It's impossible. You're lucky if you could do half, probably.

gremlinsinc 4y ago

I struggle to get 1200 calories when I'm doing keto. I'm over 400 pounds, I'm losing weight now from my depression med I switched to this past Spring (Wellbutrin), apparently depression led to more eating than I realized. I've made no changes at all other than I don't crave chocolate/sweets, and have been intermittently fasting a bit because I feel eating is just a waste of time anymore. I can't even suggest food to my wife for dinner because nothing sounds good, as in literally eating nothing sounds like better than eating dinner. I went 3 days without food just to test the craving thing and literally didn't have hunger pangs, or nothing. Zero desire for food. It was similar to how I felt when I'd first had weight loss surgery in 2012 when I was 690 (I'm a big guy, so I was still very mobile at 690, just probably 50 pounds maybe from not being so, and in pain/etc - I was 32 then, dropped to 500 in 2 years, and stayed between 415-515 ever since. Few years ago, I was doing crossfit, and keto and dropped to my lowest of 400 in 3 months from my starting weight of 515. Depression/anxiety from covid sent me back up to 515, and since may I've lost 50 pounds still drinking soda or whatever I want. Just not eating junk food, or sweets and probably eating less meals altogether. I also have switched to bottled soda, as I tend to drink less when I have to take a lid off something rather than sip from a straw. TLDR: I have much experience with this and when in ketosis fats are actually probably good for you, fat is always better for you than sugar, the low-fat fads have a history of being funded by the sugar industry. Low fat oreos that have the same amount of sugar will not make you weigh less. Period. If they cut out 100% of the fat, but none of the sugar you'd probably not lose a pound eating the same amount, hell you might gain weight if the fat actually made you eat less which it can do, but probably not when ghrellin is increased by the sugar intake. I could live off sticks of cheese, and 2 pounds of brisket per week probably and switch to flavored water over soda and lose 100 lbs easy and I'd struggle to hit 1200 calories. When I'm full of sugar I can easily hit 2-3k, I can't eat a lot at once but cakes are 'slider foods' and can basically go down easy 24/7. If I go to dinner w/ wife we usually get one main dish and a side to split between her, myself and two toddlers. My "sleeve" only allows so much 'heavy' food at once, so I get full fast. I get full faster if I don't drink w/ my meals, as that pushes it through my stomach faster. There's definitely some change that happens on keto, but I think the problem is maybe if you mix high fat AND high sugar, well sugar is evil period, but that's probably when you metabolise things differently and break things down differently. If fat/protein is your only food source no sugar, you start breaking down your own fat stores more and generally take in less calories. I dare anyone to eat sugar for 2 weeks, then switch to keto for 2 weeks and try to ingest the same amount of calories. It's impossible. You're lucky if you could do half, probably.