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So now I can blame my poor dietary choices and comfort eating on my "gut-brain connection"? Sweet! /s But in all seriousness, this was already known. We are wi

So now I can blame my poor dietary choices and comfort eating on my "gut-brain connection"? Sweet! /s But in all seriousness, this was already known. We are wired from evolution to de drawn to fatty foods, from the caveman times when food was a scarce luxury, and fats were a dense source of calories that could keep out bodies going for longer especially in harsh climates, therefore eating as much fat as you could find was a must for survival. In the middle age paintings, a lot of women were on the plus side as the body fat was a sign of health, wealth, good nutrition, fertility and capacity to carry out pregnancies and feed babies. But in our modern sedentary world where calories are abundant (in the west at least) fatty foods are more of a health risk than a benefit for the general population. But still, I love the taste of fatty foods and loathe the taste of the low-fat variants. Cappucino just tastes like crap with soy/low-fat milk. Cheese and butter tastes amazing. Fatty fish and foul is a delight. Beef cuts with lots of marbling is better. And in general, foods cooked in animal fat are something else. To me at least, other people might have different tastes. But now I know I can blame my caveman ancestors for my cravings. There's also this new keto diet that sprung up in the weight-loss, body-building circles a while back, based on this theory that we should feed like our caveman ancestors, using only proteins and fats with zero carbs. I'm not an expert so I cannot comment on this diet though.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Most 'high fatty foods' in diets of obese people are loaded with empty carbs and contain tons of sugar. Even if article is right on the desire for fats, it completely skips over sweets, cookies, sugared drinks and food with sugar added to it for practically no reason beyond taste. Even cheese is incredibly difficult to get obese from. Ask the keto people if they could eat 300g of cheese in the first week, most average people struggle with a mere 100g.
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  I struggle to get 1200 calories when I'm doing keto. I'm over 400 pounds, I'm losing weight now from my depression med I switched to this past Spring (Wellbutrin), apparently depression led to more eating than I realized. I've made no changes at all other than I don't crave chocolate/sweets, and have been intermittently fasting a bit because I feel eating is just a waste of time anymore. I can't even suggest food to my wife for dinner because nothing sounds good, as in literally eating nothing sounds like better than eating dinner. I went 3 days without food just to test the craving thing and literally didn't have hunger pangs, or nothing. Zero desire for food. It was similar to how I felt when I'd first had weight loss surgery in 2012 when I was 690 (I'm a big guy, so I was still very mobile at 690, just probably 50 pounds maybe from not being so, and in pain/etc - I was 32 then, dropped to 500 in 2 years, and stayed between 415-515 ever since. Few years ago, I was doing crossfit, and keto and dropped to my lowest of 400 in 3 months from my starting weight of 515. Depression/anxiety from covid sent me back up to 515, and since may I've lost 50 pounds still drinking soda or whatever I want. Just not eating junk food, or sweets and probably eating less meals altogether. I also have switched to bottled soda, as I tend to drink less when I have to take a lid off something rather than sip from a straw. TLDR: I have much experience with this and when in ketosis fats are actually probably good for you, fat is always better for you than sugar, the low-fat fads have a history of being funded by the sugar industry. Low fat oreos that have the same amount of sugar will not make you weigh less. Period. If they cut out 100% of the fat, but none of the sugar you'd probably not lose a pound eating the same amount, hell you might gain weight if the fat actually made you eat less which it can do, but probably not when ghrellin is increased by the sugar intake. I could live off sticks of cheese, and 2 pounds of brisket per week probably and switch to flavored water over soda and lose 100 lbs easy and I'd struggle to hit 1200 calories. When I'm full of sugar I can easily hit 2-3k, I can't eat a lot at once but cakes are 'slider foods' and can basically go down easy 24/7. If I go to dinner w/ wife we usually get one main dish and a side to split between her, myself and two toddlers. My "sleeve" only allows so much 'heavy' food at once, so I get full fast. I get full faster if I don't drink w/ my meals, as that pushes it through my stomach faster. There's definitely some change that happens on keto, but I think the problem is maybe if you mix high fat AND high sugar, well sugar is evil period, but that's probably when you metabolise things differently and break things down differently. If fat/protein is your only food source no sugar, you start breaking down your own fat stores more and generally take in less calories. I dare anyone to eat sugar for 2 weeks, then switch to keto for 2 weeks and try to ingest the same amount of calories. It's impossible. You're lucky if you could do half, probably.
drewcoo 4y ago
None of that is relevant. The article about a mechanism to trigger fat cravings regardless of taste. Your namesake avoids the problem entirely. https://blackbeltmag.com/chuck-norris-anti-aging/dinner https://blackbeltmag.com/chuck-norris-anti-aging/dinner > [Chuck Norris] stopped eating red meat, processed oils, and fat some time ago.
gremlinsinc 4y ago
keto works like a charm, only thing that's ever worked for me... Fatty foods really aren't that bad -- good fats anyways. Marbling on brisket is def. the good kind ;). Probably less so on bacon, because of nitrates, and probably better to get more protein from lean meats but if you need a pound or two of brisket a week to stay on keto that's perfectly acceptable ;). When your carb deprived you don't crave sugar, bread, etc. THESE are what really put fat on, also things like candy, soda, hostess cakes, etc.. all of which are the kinda fatty things I crave and keep me obese. Though I've organically lost 50 pounds since May, just by trying a new depression med - Wellbutrin, which makes sense since it's used for smoking cessation, and increases dopamine levels which is basically why I probably ate foods like that in the first place (to feel good). If I add some exercise, and better diet I'd probably lose a lot more. I haven't even cut soda, I just don't desire sweets or food at all--which I didn't think was possible except when I'm in ketosis, but apparently the mind/body link is bigger than I thought. Never realized how much my depression controlled me.
yamtaddle 4y ago
If anyone's got tricks for making healthy food that doesn't rely on "cheating" with a bunch of added fats (dairy, animal fats, oils) in order to make them something people actually want to eat, rather than reluctantly tolerating at best, I'd really like to know them. As it is, I try to make a healthy dish in my house—recipe or just winging it, either way—it's guaranteed to be roundly panned (even I usually don't like them much), but I make the exact same thing with liberal use of added fats, and everyone loves it. All the e.g. veggie-heavy dishes we eat that don't elicit a groan either call for lots of fat to begin with (say, cream or coconut milk curry sauces) or are ones I've modified by adding a bunch of e.g. butter. It's even a reliable trick for taking things like soups from "meh" to "wow, that's great!"—generous splash of cream, or butter, or oil. As far as I can tell the full eating-healthy rule should be, "eat food, mostly plants, not too much—and add shitloads of fat to it if you don't want to dread every single meal". I'd love to know other effective "cheats" that don't turn every dish into a calorie-bomb. Though I guess omitting the fat makes the "not too much" part super-easy.
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  Personally, I think people are looking for the wrong thing. Try instead to keep your daily carb count under 60 grams, and eat as much protein as possible from cheese/lean proteins but also some fatty if you like. My faves when I'm doing keto are: Brisket, cheese, sugar free pudding for craving control or chobani greek yogurt, bacon, hamburger, chicken. I tend to keep it simple just rotating through easy things to keep on hand, like I'll pick up a pound of pre-smoked brisket at the supermarket in town and heat that up for dinner. The issue i think more is calorie in/calorie out as well as switching your metabolism some. Keto-eating does this really well. Low fat was the fad diet of the 80s/90s everything was low fat this or that, and it was the biggest growth in obesity ever. Sugar / Starches is what really leads to obesity not fatty foods. 'fatty' is a misnomer, I mean it just means animal 'fats', doesn't mean it causes you to become 'fatter'.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

Most 'high fatty foods' in diets of obese people are loaded with empty carbs and contain tons of sugar. Even if article is right on the desire for fats, it completely skips over sweets, cookies, sugared drinks and food with sugar added to it for practically no reason beyond taste. Even cheese is incredibly difficult to get obese from. Ask the keto people if they could eat 300g of cheese in the first week, most average people struggle with a mere 100g.

gremlinsinc 4y ago
I struggle to get 1200 calories when I'm doing keto. I'm over 400 pounds, I'm losing weight now from my depression med I switched to this past Spring (Wellbutrin), apparently depression led to more eating than I realized. I've made no changes at all other than I don't crave chocolate/sweets, and have been intermittently fasting a bit because I feel eating is just a waste of time anymore. I can't even suggest food to my wife for dinner because nothing sounds good, as in literally eating nothing sounds like better than eating dinner. I went 3 days without food just to test the craving thing and literally didn't have hunger pangs, or nothing. Zero desire for food. It was similar to how I felt when I'd first had weight loss surgery in 2012 when I was 690 (I'm a big guy, so I was still very mobile at 690, just probably 50 pounds maybe from not being so, and in pain/etc - I was 32 then, dropped to 500 in 2 years, and stayed between 415-515 ever since. Few years ago, I was doing crossfit, and keto and dropped to my lowest of 400 in 3 months from my starting weight of 515. Depression/anxiety from covid sent me back up to 515, and since may I've lost 50 pounds still drinking soda or whatever I want. Just not eating junk food, or sweets and probably eating less meals altogether. I also have switched to bottled soda, as I tend to drink less when I have to take a lid off something rather than sip from a straw. TLDR: I have much experience with this and when in ketosis fats are actually probably good for you, fat is always better for you than sugar, the low-fat fads have a history of being funded by the sugar industry. Low fat oreos that have the same amount of sugar will not make you weigh less. Period. If they cut out 100% of the fat, but none of the sugar you'd probably not lose a pound eating the same amount, hell you might gain weight if the fat actually made you eat less which it can do, but probably not when ghrellin is increased by the sugar intake. I could live off sticks of cheese, and 2 pounds of brisket per week probably and switch to flavored water over soda and lose 100 lbs easy and I'd struggle to hit 1200 calories. When I'm full of sugar I can easily hit 2-3k, I can't eat a lot at once but cakes are 'slider foods' and can basically go down easy 24/7. If I go to dinner w/ wife we usually get one main dish and a side to split between her, myself and two toddlers. My "sleeve" only allows so much 'heavy' food at once, so I get full fast. I get full faster if I don't drink w/ my meals, as that pushes it through my stomach faster. There's definitely some change that happens on keto, but I think the problem is maybe if you mix high fat AND high sugar, well sugar is evil period, but that's probably when you metabolise things differently and break things down differently. If fat/protein is your only food source no sugar, you start breaking down your own fat stores more and generally take in less calories. I dare anyone to eat sugar for 2 weeks, then switch to keto for 2 weeks and try to ingest the same amount of calories. It's impossible. You're lucky if you could do half, probably.

drewcoo 4y ago

None of that is relevant. The article about a mechanism to trigger fat cravings regardless of taste. Your namesake avoids the problem entirely. https://blackbeltmag.com/chuck-norris-anti-aging/dinner https://blackbeltmag.com/chuck-norris-anti-aging/dinner > [Chuck Norris] stopped eating red meat, processed oils, and fat some time ago.

gremlinsinc 4y ago

keto works like a charm, only thing that's ever worked for me... Fatty foods really aren't that bad -- good fats anyways. Marbling on brisket is def. the good kind ;). Probably less so on bacon, because of nitrates, and probably better to get more protein from lean meats but if you need a pound or two of brisket a week to stay on keto that's perfectly acceptable ;). When your carb deprived you don't crave sugar, bread, etc. THESE are what really put fat on, also things like candy, soda, hostess cakes, etc.. all of which are the kinda fatty things I crave and keep me obese. Though I've organically lost 50 pounds since May, just by trying a new depression med - Wellbutrin, which makes sense since it's used for smoking cessation, and increases dopamine levels which is basically why I probably ate foods like that in the first place (to feel good). If I add some exercise, and better diet I'd probably lose a lot more. I haven't even cut soda, I just don't desire sweets or food at all--which I didn't think was possible except when I'm in ketosis, but apparently the mind/body link is bigger than I thought. Never realized how much my depression controlled me.

yamtaddle 4y ago

If anyone's got tricks for making healthy food that doesn't rely on "cheating" with a bunch of added fats (dairy, animal fats, oils) in order to make them something people actually want to eat, rather than reluctantly tolerating at best, I'd really like to know them. As it is, I try to make a healthy dish in my house—recipe or just winging it, either way—it's guaranteed to be roundly panned (even I usually don't like them much), but I make the exact same thing with liberal use of added fats, and everyone loves it. All the e.g. veggie-heavy dishes we eat that don't elicit a groan either call for lots of fat to begin with (say, cream or coconut milk curry sauces) or are ones I've modified by adding a bunch of e.g. butter. It's even a reliable trick for taking things like soups from "meh" to "wow, that's great!"—generous splash of cream, or butter, or oil. As far as I can tell the full eating-healthy rule should be, "eat food, mostly plants, not too much—and add shitloads of fat to it if you don't want to dread every single meal". I'd love to know other effective "cheats" that don't turn every dish into a calorie-bomb. Though I guess omitting the fat makes the "not too much" part super-easy.

gremlinsinc 4y ago
Personally, I think people are looking for the wrong thing. Try instead to keep your daily carb count under 60 grams, and eat as much protein as possible from cheese/lean proteins but also some fatty if you like. My faves when I'm doing keto are: Brisket, cheese, sugar free pudding for craving control or chobani greek yogurt, bacon, hamburger, chicken. I tend to keep it simple just rotating through easy things to keep on hand, like I'll pick up a pound of pre-smoked brisket at the supermarket in town and heat that up for dinner. The issue i think more is calorie in/calorie out as well as switching your metabolism some. Keto-eating does this really well. Low fat was the fad diet of the 80s/90s everything was low fat this or that, and it was the biggest growth in obesity ever. Sugar / Starches is what really leads to obesity not fatty foods. 'fatty' is a misnomer, I mean it just means animal 'fats', doesn't mean it causes you to become 'fatter'.