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This sequence of comments is the JS ecosystem in a nutshell. Hear about something new, then immediately hear about its multiple successors/replacements.

by Legion 4y ago

soulofmischief 4y ago
Mithril uses hyperscript as its foundation, it builds upon it as opposed to replacing/succeeding it :) Check it out, it's the kind of framework you pick and stick with for 20+ years. Zero bullshit compared to its peers.
- ovao 4y ago
  And in a month or two the new hotness’ll be something else built on top of Mithril, or something “like Mithril but a bit different”. Good frameworks are good, and I love a good hobby project in some new hotness, but ecosystems, developer tooling, backward compatibility guarantees, large corporate backing, developer conferences, and community are what makes frameworks adoptable are what makes them stick.
  - soulofmischief 4y ago
    Mithril has been around for 7 years. How old does it need to be before it's not "the new hotness"? Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's new, and it would behoove you to not immediately dismiss things that are new to you as things that are new in general. Your heuristic that a large ecosystem is what makes a framework good precludes you from ever again touching any new project. It's a short-sighted approach. At some point, you have to grow up as a developer and try to understand the real world problems that modern declarative web frameworks have solved. I stated that mithril will be my tool of choice for hopefully 20+ years, so your framing this as me getting lost in the new hotness doesn't even hold up. This is about real tools, which are useful today and tomorrow, and which have slow API churn to facilitate longevity. It's just a bonus that mithril is also faster and far more terse than React and friends.
raffraffraff 4y ago
Lol, to prove you're point even harder, your comment is not even the at the end of the list of successors/replacements.

This sequence of comments is the JS ecosystem in a nutshell. Hear about something new, then immediately hear about its multiple successors/replacements.

by Legion 4y ago

This sequence of comments is the JS ecosystem in a nutshell. Hear about something new, then immediately hear about its multiple successors/replacements.

soulofmischief 4y ago

Mithril uses hyperscript as its foundation, it builds upon it as opposed to replacing/succeeding it :) Check it out, it's the kind of framework you pick and stick with for 20+ years. Zero bullshit compared to its peers.

ovao 4y ago
And in a month or two the new hotness’ll be something else built on top of Mithril, or something “like Mithril but a bit different”. Good frameworks are good, and I love a good hobby project in some new hotness, but ecosystems, developer tooling, backward compatibility guarantees, large corporate backing, developer conferences, and community are what makes frameworks adoptable are what makes them stick.
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  Mithril has been around for 7 years. How old does it need to be before it's not "the new hotness"? Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's new, and it would behoove you to not immediately dismiss things that are new to you as things that are new in general. Your heuristic that a large ecosystem is what makes a framework good precludes you from ever again touching any new project. It's a short-sighted approach. At some point, you have to grow up as a developer and try to understand the real world problems that modern declarative web frameworks have solved. I stated that mithril will be my tool of choice for hopefully 20+ years, so your framing this as me getting lost in the new hotness doesn't even hold up. This is about real tools, which are useful today and tomorrow, and which have slow API churn to facilitate longevity. It's just a bonus that mithril is also faster and far more terse than React and friends.

raffraffraff 4y ago

Lol, to prove you're point even harder, your comment is not even the at the end of the list of successors/replacements.