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I have an Android and RCS works perfectly... This is someone coming from iPhones

Alupis 4y ago
Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. iDevice <-> iDevice messaging will continue to use iMessage - it's everyone else that would receive RCS messages, and that's an enormous improvement over SMS/MMS. Not supporting RCS for non-Apple devices is absurd today, and would be trivial for Apple to implement. So... we're left to believe it's an intentional decision to degrade messages with non-Apple devices. As an aside, it's absurd to have proprietary texting protocols in 2022... Apple's iMessage might be great, but it requires an Apple device to work. That's frankly ridiculous. Let's get a standard that replaces SMS/MMS for everyone...
- intothemild 4y ago
  Exactly, talking about this with apple fans on other places, they all talk about how iMessage is better... Nobody is talking about that.. were talking about how SMS/MMS is terrible and needs replacing. And yes it is intentional.. the reason came out in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit. Apple won't adopt RCS because they are afraid of user churn and also that apple owning parents will buy cheaper androids for their kids. Which when you know that, you compare that with the Tim Cook "~~let them eat cake~~ buy your mum an iphone" comment yesterday..
- joshstrange 4y ago
  > Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. There may be some people who (wrongly) think that but I don't, my objection to RCS is because it's carrier-dependent and Google pretty much owns the "standard", I don't want a new messaging system with either of those things. SMS is fine for 2FA (for sites that refuse to let me use my 2FA app) and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. We don't need RCS, it's a solution in search of a problem and it has some very bad flaws IMHO. If I want "google messaging" I'll install their app, I don't want a new messaging platform forced on me that will stagnate and fall behind what will become the new "table stakes" for chat apps in a few years time.
  - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
    > and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. If Apple allowed me to replace the default messaging app, or allowed other services to provide "plugins" which integrate into the default app, I'd be fine with it not supporting RCS. As things stand, any cross-platform messaging app which isn't SMS is a second-class citizen on the iPhone. Which I'm sure is exactly as intended.
    - joshstrange 4y ago
      > As things stand, any cross-platform messaging app which isn't SMS is a second-class citizen on the iPhone 100% bullshit. I use Discord and Slack on my phone every single day, neither of them are at a disadvantage to something like iMessage. They support the same things I do with iMessage. Having all your chats in 1 app is just a game of "find the lowest common denominator" which is not a game I want to play.
      - Alupis 4y ago
        > 100% bullshit. I use Discord and Slack on my phone every single day, neither of them are at a disadvantage to something like iMessage What does Discord and Slack require that SMS doesn't? Hint... an account for a proprietary service that may terminate or delete your account and/or history whenever they feel like it. Seriously... everyone agrees SMS/MMS is terrible. Smoke signals might have higher resolution images these days... we need a replacement. Just because Apple has decided to make their own proprietary thing does not bar them from getting in line with the industry and supporting RCS for non-iDevices.
        Jtsummers 4y ago
        > What does Discord and Slack require that SMS doesn't? Hint... an account for a proprietary service that may terminate or delete your account and/or history whenever they feel like it. Right, instead SMS requires you to pay a monthly subscription fee, and if you change providers and phone numbers you have to update all your contacts. Phone number tied messaging should be made a thing of the past, it's not something to champion anymore.

Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. iDevice <-> iDevice messaging will continue to use iMessage - it's everyone else that would receive RCS messages, and that's an enormous improvement over SMS/MMS. Not supporting RCS for non-Apple devices is absurd today, and would be trivial for Apple to implement. So... we're left to believe it's an intentional decision to degrade messages with non-Apple devices. As an aside, it's absurd to have proprietary texting protocols in 2022... Apple's iMessage might be great, but it requires an Apple device to work. That's frankly ridiculous. Let's get a standard that replaces SMS/MMS for everyone...

intothemild 4y ago
Exactly, talking about this with apple fans on other places, they all talk about how iMessage is better... Nobody is talking about that.. were talking about how SMS/MMS is terrible and needs replacing. And yes it is intentional.. the reason came out in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit. Apple won't adopt RCS because they are afraid of user churn and also that apple owning parents will buy cheaper androids for their kids. Which when you know that, you compare that with the Tim Cook "~~let them eat cake~~ buy your mum an iphone" comment yesterday..
joshstrange 4y ago
> Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. There may be some people who (wrongly) think that but I don't, my objection to RCS is because it's carrier-dependent and Google pretty much owns the "standard", I don't want a new messaging system with either of those things. SMS is fine for 2FA (for sites that refuse to let me use my 2FA app) and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. We don't need RCS, it's a solution in search of a problem and it has some very bad flaws IMHO. If I want "google messaging" I'll install their app, I don't want a new messaging platform forced on me that will stagnate and fall behind what will become the new "table stakes" for chat apps in a few years time.
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  > and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. If Apple allowed me to replace the default messaging app, or allowed other services to provide "plugins" which integrate into the default app, I'd be fine with it not supporting RCS. As things stand, any cross-platform messaging app which isn't SMS is a second-class citizen on the iPhone. Which I'm sure is exactly as intended.
  - joshstrange 4y ago
    > As things stand, any cross-platform messaging app which isn't SMS is a second-class citizen on the iPhone 100% bullshit. I use Discord and Slack on my phone every single day, neither of them are at a disadvantage to something like iMessage. They support the same things I do with iMessage. Having all your chats in 1 app is just a game of "find the lowest common denominator" which is not a game I want to play.
    - Alupis 4y ago
      > 100% bullshit. I use Discord and Slack on my phone every single day, neither of them are at a disadvantage to something like iMessage What does Discord and Slack require that SMS doesn't? Hint... an account for a proprietary service that may terminate or delete your account and/or history whenever they feel like it. Seriously... everyone agrees SMS/MMS is terrible. Smoke signals might have higher resolution images these days... we need a replacement. Just because Apple has decided to make their own proprietary thing does not bar them from getting in line with the industry and supporting RCS for non-iDevices.
      - Jtsummers 4y ago
        > What does Discord and Slack require that SMS doesn't? Hint... an account for a proprietary service that may terminate or delete your account and/or history whenever they feel like it. Right, instead SMS requires you to pay a monthly subscription fee, and if you change providers and phone numbers you have to update all your contacts. Phone number tied messaging should be made a thing of the past, it's not something to champion anymore.