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The lack of real journalism in this area is astounding. To pretend that RCS is ready to go, works perfectly, is a "standard", and that it's just Apple dragging

The lack of real journalism in this area is astounding. To pretend that RCS is ready to go, works perfectly, is a "standard", and that it's just Apple dragging it's feet is a joke. RCS is not working perfectly for phone that ostensibly support it today (at least that's what I'm hearing from my android friends). RCS is not really a standard as much as it's whatever Google wants (It's like Chrome is for the web but for messaging) and Google has the worst track record possible when it comes to messaging. Also RCS involves the carriers, I cannot think of a worse party (other than google) to involve. We wrested control from carriers years ago and this just hands them control back, it's absolutely absurd. The "standard" itself doesn't support E2E, no, that's a Google addon. It's a garbage fire and just because it's slightly better than SMS people act like it's the second coming, spare me, it's barely table stakes for a competent chat service (something google wouldn't know anything about). It's a shit "standard", it doesn't even work currently, and it's just a thinly veiled way for Google to control messaging. RCS is stupid, just use any other chat service out there if you don't want to use SMS, it's really not difficult, only the US seems to have this issue (surprise).

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
> Also RCS involves the carriers, I cannot think of a worse party (other than google) to involve. They're a better party than Apple or Google because they support multiple hardware and software ecosystems. I'd prefer some sort of nonprofit, but I'll take what I can get. > RCS is not working perfectly for phones that ostensibly support it today (at least that's what I'm hearing from my android friends). Well, fwiw I've heard the opposite.
- intothemild 4y ago
  I have an Android and RCS works perfectly... This is someone coming from iPhones
  - Alupis 4y ago
    Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. iDevice <-> iDevice messaging will continue to use iMessage - it's everyone else that would receive RCS messages, and that's an enormous improvement over SMS/MMS. Not supporting RCS for non-Apple devices is absurd today, and would be trivial for Apple to implement. So... we're left to believe it's an intentional decision to degrade messages with non-Apple devices. As an aside, it's absurd to have proprietary texting protocols in 2022... Apple's iMessage might be great, but it requires an Apple device to work. That's frankly ridiculous. Let's get a standard that replaces SMS/MMS for everyone...
    - intothemild 4y ago
      Exactly, talking about this with apple fans on other places, they all talk about how iMessage is better... Nobody is talking about that.. were talking about how SMS/MMS is terrible and needs replacing. And yes it is intentional.. the reason came out in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit. Apple won't adopt RCS because they are afraid of user churn and also that apple owning parents will buy cheaper androids for their kids. Which when you know that, you compare that with the Tim Cook "~~let them eat cake~~ buy your mum an iphone" comment yesterday..
    - joshstrange 4y ago
      > Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. There may be some people who (wrongly) think that but I don't, my objection to RCS is because it's carrier-dependent and Google pretty much owns the "standard", I don't want a new messaging system with either of those things. SMS is fine for 2FA (for sites that refuse to let me use my 2FA app) and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. We don't need RCS, it's a solution in search of a problem and it has some very bad flaws IMHO. If I want "google messaging" I'll install their app, I don't want a new messaging platform forced on me that will stagnate and fall behind what will become the new "table stakes" for chat apps in a few years time.
      - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
        > and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. If Apple allowed me to replace the default messaging app, or allowed other services to provide "plugins" which integrate into the default app, I'd be fine with it not supporting RCS. As things stand, any cross-platform messaging app which isn't SMS is a second-class citizen on the iPhone. Which I'm sure is exactly as intended.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago

> Also RCS involves the carriers, I cannot think of a worse party (other than google) to involve. They're a better party than Apple or Google because they support multiple hardware and software ecosystems. I'd prefer some sort of nonprofit, but I'll take what I can get. > RCS is not working perfectly for phones that ostensibly support it today (at least that's what I'm hearing from my android friends). Well, fwiw I've heard the opposite.

intothemild 4y ago
I have an Android and RCS works perfectly... This is someone coming from iPhones
- Alupis 4y ago
  Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. iDevice <-> iDevice messaging will continue to use iMessage - it's everyone else that would receive RCS messages, and that's an enormous improvement over SMS/MMS. Not supporting RCS for non-Apple devices is absurd today, and would be trivial for Apple to implement. So... we're left to believe it's an intentional decision to degrade messages with non-Apple devices. As an aside, it's absurd to have proprietary texting protocols in 2022... Apple's iMessage might be great, but it requires an Apple device to work. That's frankly ridiculous. Let's get a standard that replaces SMS/MMS for everyone...
  - intothemild 4y ago
    Exactly, talking about this with apple fans on other places, they all talk about how iMessage is better... Nobody is talking about that.. were talking about how SMS/MMS is terrible and needs replacing. And yes it is intentional.. the reason came out in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit. Apple won't adopt RCS because they are afraid of user churn and also that apple owning parents will buy cheaper androids for their kids. Which when you know that, you compare that with the Tim Cook "~~let them eat cake~~ buy your mum an iphone" comment yesterday..
  - joshstrange 4y ago
    > Apple supporters don't seem to understand RCS is supposed to replace SMS/MMS - not replace iMessage. There may be some people who (wrongly) think that but I don't, my objection to RCS is because it's carrier-dependent and Google pretty much owns the "standard", I don't want a new messaging system with either of those things. SMS is fine for 2FA (for sites that refuse to let me use my 2FA app) and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. We don't need RCS, it's a solution in search of a problem and it has some very bad flaws IMHO. If I want "google messaging" I'll install their app, I don't want a new messaging platform forced on me that will stagnate and fall behind what will become the new "table stakes" for chat apps in a few years time.
    - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
      > and for all other chat there are a ton of other great alternatives. If Apple allowed me to replace the default messaging app, or allowed other services to provide "plugins" which integrate into the default app, I'd be fine with it not supporting RCS. As things stand, any cross-platform messaging app which isn't SMS is a second-class citizen on the iPhone. Which I'm sure is exactly as intended.