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Do you have some data on how much tax money actually flows from coastal states to red states?

by xyzzyz 4y ago

wahern 4y ago
This data comes from the Rockefeller Institute of Government's semi-annual Balance of Payments studies, which they've been doing for some years. See, e.g., https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2022/ https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2022/ (reflects COVID) and https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2020/ https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2020/ (pre-COVID). A typical summation in the news media looks like this article, https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-here-are-the-receipts-column/ https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay-... A typical rebuttal looks like this article, https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do-not-bailout-red-states/ https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do... IMO, it rings hollow, except for the accusation of liberals being glib. From a macro perspective this state of affairs seems to challenge both conservative and liberal beliefs about the effects of government taxation and expenditures.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  I've cited the Rockefeller Institute's data elsewhere in this discussion, so am glad that someone else is aware of it. >A typical summation in the news media looks like this article, https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay- https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay-... Ugh, what an awful article. The author, putatively a Floridian, conveniently twists the data to support his thesis: * He calls Florida a "Republican state". It's about as swingiest a swing state can be right now, and has been such for decades. * He calls Virginia another "Republican state", I presume because it has a Republican governor. It also has voted for Democratic presidential candidates going back some years. It's also a swing state, but certainly less so than Florida is. * Worst of all, he cuts off the data to obscure the important point of the Rockefeller data, which is that (as I wrote elsewhere) it's not so much "blue states", but NY/NJ/CT/MA that subsidize the rest of the country. They played the same role a century ago when MA was about as safe a Republican state as any in the country while NY was with OH the most important swing state.

Do you have some data on how much tax money actually flows from coastal states to red states?

by xyzzyz 4y ago

Do you have some data on how much tax money actually flows from coastal states to red states?

This data comes from the Rockefeller Institute of Government's semi-annual Balance of Payments studies, which they've been doing for some years. See, e.g., https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2022/ https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2022/ (reflects COVID) and https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2020/ https://rockinst.org/issue-area/balance-of-payments-2020/ (pre-COVID). A typical summation in the news media looks like this article, https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-here-are-the-receipts-column/ https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay-... A typical rebuttal looks like this article, https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do-not-bailout-red-states/ https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do... IMO, it rings hollow, except for the accusation of liberals being glib. From a macro perspective this state of affairs seems to challenge both conservative and liberal beliefs about the effects of government taxation and expenditures.

TMWNN 4y ago
I've cited the Rockefeller Institute's data elsewhere in this discussion, so am glad that someone else is aware of it. >A typical summation in the news media looks like this article, https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay- https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/01/22/blue-states-pay-... Ugh, what an awful article. The author, putatively a Floridian, conveniently twists the data to support his thesis: * He calls Florida a "Republican state". It's about as swingiest a swing state can be right now, and has been such for decades. * He calls Virginia another "Republican state", I presume because it has a Republican governor. It also has voted for Democratic presidential candidates going back some years. It's also a swing state, but certainly less so than Florida is. * Worst of all, he cuts off the data to obscure the important point of the Rockefeller data, which is that (as I wrote elsewhere) it's not so much "blue states", but NY/NJ/CT/MA that subsidize the rest of the country. They played the same role a century ago when MA was about as safe a Republican state as any in the country while NY was with OH the most important swing state.