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Other notable things from the game jam other than Zig being the most popular: it's mostly developers aged 15-24 (hopefully they split that up into 15-19 and 20-

Other notable things from the game jam other than Zig being the most popular: it's mostly developers aged 15-24 (hopefully they split that up into 15-19 and 20-24 next time around), and mostly from Europe. WASM-4 seems to be a technically limited "console" (64kb of RAM, 160x160 console), so it's even more of a niche than just doing game dev for WASM.

Existenceblinks 4y ago
If I were a Zig advocate I would advertise [Z]ig as the programming of future starting from gen Z, new blood of developers.
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  Generation Zig? I like it. Even though I'm technically a millennial… but if the next gen start using Zig instead of JavaScript for everything, I'm on board.
  - Existenceblinks 4y ago
    You could be a gen Zig developer. How cool is that. Yep, start cleaning up complexity mess that js ecosystem is expanding.
    - Ygg2 4y ago
      And make your completely new mess. I doubt JS will stop being primary language in browsers in my lifetime.
      - Existenceblinks 4y ago
        You have chance to prevent it. It's not going to be perfect but use huge lesson learned from js ecosystem "mess" (I found this triggers some (many) js folks, it's quite ridiculous). Javascript "mess" in browsers could be reduced by dividing into two parts. DOM stuff, and pure language stuff. The first part can stay as is. Probably wrapped into thin API for new lang interop. The second part is a completely new lang that compile to wasm (ideal if vice-versa) so that backend could also send wasm to browser and be able to interact with DOM too. Next, backend js "mess" can be stopped because we have a better way for other languages to develop for the web.
        Ygg2 4y ago
        IMHO most software problem are social or caused by wider economic incentives. People come and go either because of life or work, and complexity piles up. I don't think there are any silver bullets. There is a reason Worse is Better. It's quicker to ship and spread.
        Existenceblinks 4y ago
        I agree with your line_1 and line_2. However I think Worse is Worse because it's only better 20% of all aspects, that makes it sounds better. Anything can be best with context pruning.
titzer 4y ago
It's great that young programmers are getting into these low-level things! In the early days of Wasm I was hoping we could put together a "wasm 4k demo" competition, but alas, funding these things is more complicated than it would appear. I'm glad this competition happened, and such cool results!

Existenceblinks 4y ago

If I were a Zig advocate I would advertise [Z]ig as the programming of future starting from gen Z, new blood of developers.

Cyberdog 4y ago
Generation Zig? I like it. Even though I'm technically a millennial… but if the next gen start using Zig instead of JavaScript for everything, I'm on board.
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  You could be a gen Zig developer. How cool is that. Yep, start cleaning up complexity mess that js ecosystem is expanding.
  - Ygg2 4y ago
    And make your completely new mess. I doubt JS will stop being primary language in browsers in my lifetime.
    - Existenceblinks 4y ago
      You have chance to prevent it. It's not going to be perfect but use huge lesson learned from js ecosystem "mess" (I found this triggers some (many) js folks, it's quite ridiculous). Javascript "mess" in browsers could be reduced by dividing into two parts. DOM stuff, and pure language stuff. The first part can stay as is. Probably wrapped into thin API for new lang interop. The second part is a completely new lang that compile to wasm (ideal if vice-versa) so that backend could also send wasm to browser and be able to interact with DOM too. Next, backend js "mess" can be stopped because we have a better way for other languages to develop for the web.
      - Ygg2 4y ago
        IMHO most software problem are social or caused by wider economic incentives. People come and go either because of life or work, and complexity piles up. I don't think there are any silver bullets. There is a reason Worse is Better. It's quicker to ship and spread.
        Existenceblinks 4y ago
        I agree with your line_1 and line_2. However I think Worse is Worse because it's only better 20% of all aspects, that makes it sounds better. Anything can be best with context pruning.

titzer 4y ago

It's great that young programmers are getting into these low-level things! In the early days of Wasm I was hoping we could put together a "wasm 4k demo" competition, but alas, funding these things is more complicated than it would appear. I'm glad this competition happened, and such cool results!