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> Worldcat hid that traditional search view years ago and, like Google, keeps it around for those who prefer it. In fact, it's so true that in order to find Ad

> Worldcat hid that traditional search view years ago and, like Google, keeps it around for those who prefer it. In fact, it's so true that in order to find Advanced Search on Google and it doesn't occur to you to go into the settings menu in the top right (the gear - because why would anyone bury Advanced Search there anyway?), you have to actually google Advanced Search. For Google to have buried it like this, Advanced Search must've been confusing the vast majority of people who tried to use it.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> For Google to have buried it like this, Advanced Search must've been confusing the vast majority of people who tried to use it. Apple, the industry leading expert of UX, didn't have copy/paste in iOS for years. Compelling evidence that copy/paste is too complicated for people, right? Then one day they added copy/paste, I guess the nature of people changed over night and Apple merely responded to this new tolerance for complexity. They're the experts, after all. Or maybe, [tech company] not implementing [feature] isn't good evidence for that feature being undesirable to the public.
- eganist 4y ago
  > Apple, the industry leading expert of UX, didn't have copy/paste in iOS for years. Compelling evidence that copy/paste is too complicated for people, right? Then one day they added copy/paste, I guess the nature of people changed over night and Apple merely responded to this new tolerance for complexity. They're the experts, after all. > Or maybe, [tech company] not implementing [feature] isn't good evidence for that feature being undesirable to the public. Not sure Google burying advanced search is a good analogy here since Google once used to make advanced search easily accessible from the main page. In fact, they still do depending on your user agent. Case in point: Wayback Machine's view from today. https://web.archive.org/web/20220909000247/https://www.google.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220909000247/https://www.googl... The fact that its appearance is variable would seem to suggest it's a very deliberate decision to determine whether to surface it, unlike Apple just trying to force its own worldview.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    My point is that these companies are not ruthlessly scientific user experience optimization machines. Google burying advanced search should not be taken as evidence that users didn't like advanced search.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Apple added copy paste two years after the iPhone was introduced https://www.engadget.com/2009-03-17-iphone-finally-gets-copy-and-paste.html https://www.engadget.com/2009-03-17-iphone-finally-gets-copy...
dmurray 4y ago
> For Google to have buried it like this, Advanced Search must've been confusing the vast majority of people who tried to use it. Or, pushing people towards the simplified "let us figure out what you want" showed slightly better ad conversion rates.

MichaelCollins 4y ago

> For Google to have buried it like this, Advanced Search must've been confusing the vast majority of people who tried to use it. Apple, the industry leading expert of UX, didn't have copy/paste in iOS for years. Compelling evidence that copy/paste is too complicated for people, right? Then one day they added copy/paste, I guess the nature of people changed over night and Apple merely responded to this new tolerance for complexity. They're the experts, after all. Or maybe, [tech company] not implementing [feature] isn't good evidence for that feature being undesirable to the public.

eganist 4y ago
> Apple, the industry leading expert of UX, didn't have copy/paste in iOS for years. Compelling evidence that copy/paste is too complicated for people, right? Then one day they added copy/paste, I guess the nature of people changed over night and Apple merely responded to this new tolerance for complexity. They're the experts, after all. > Or maybe, [tech company] not implementing [feature] isn't good evidence for that feature being undesirable to the public. Not sure Google burying advanced search is a good analogy here since Google once used to make advanced search easily accessible from the main page. In fact, they still do depending on your user agent. Case in point: Wayback Machine's view from today. https://web.archive.org/web/20220909000247/https://www.google.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220909000247/https://www.googl... The fact that its appearance is variable would seem to suggest it's a very deliberate decision to determine whether to surface it, unlike Apple just trying to force its own worldview.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  My point is that these companies are not ruthlessly scientific user experience optimization machines. Google burying advanced search should not be taken as evidence that users didn't like advanced search.
scarface74 4y ago
Apple added copy paste two years after the iPhone was introduced https://www.engadget.com/2009-03-17-iphone-finally-gets-copy-and-paste.html https://www.engadget.com/2009-03-17-iphone-finally-gets-copy...

dmurray 4y ago

> For Google to have buried it like this, Advanced Search must've been confusing the vast majority of people who tried to use it. Or, pushing people towards the simplified "let us figure out what you want" showed slightly better ad conversion rates.