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Only in the last year? That's impressive. I had a colleague at work about 5 years ago have a total meltdown at her desk as she realised that we are very unlikel
by bowsamic 4y ago
Only in the last year? That's impressive. I had a colleague at work about 5 years ago have a total meltdown at her desk as she realised that we are very unlikely to find a solution to this before extreme, severe damage is done...
I think doomerism is pretty common now, especially since groups like XR have started to become far more individualistic and neoliberal in their messaging, switching from more intense protests and occupations to more often just posting "please don't fly" things on Facebook.
My theory is that so many people in Europe especially are so incredibly wedded to their western democratic liberal ideals that they, as Jameson and Zizek said: find it "easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism", where for "capitalism" if you don't agree with a totally Marxist analysis you can really substitute any structural issue that is causing us to not take anywhere near enough action on the climate.
And it is, isn't it? It's far easier to imagine that we will keep accelerating towards climate catastrophe than to imagine that the structural changes that would need to occur for us to stop it will actually happen.
- lemmiwinks 4y agoSo the only solution to climate change is anti-capitalism. Got it.
- bowsamic 4y agoWe aren't exactly overflowing with "solutions to climate change", and capitalism seems to be incentivising for further and further exploitation of the planet, rather than a reduction. Can capitalism support a degrowth economy? Also I literally said > where for "capitalism" if you don't agree with a totally Marxist analysis you can really substitute any structural issue that is causing us to not take anywhere near enough action on the climate. If you don't agree that it's capitalism, choose your own systematic issue...
- Geee 4y agoCapitalism and market economy is all about degrowth. It's a system that tries to make same amount of stuff using less and less resources. Because of it, we get constantly more efficient, and can support a higher standard of living using less resources. It's a system where the most efficient survive. Resource over-use is caused by government intervention. It's the governments who try to pump up their GDPs with various policies, which causes ever-growing consumption and resource use. They literally control the interest rates to get everyone to consume as much as possible.
- bowsamic 4y agoOnly in a restricted economy. If you allow people to have children, then you get runaway consumption
- Geee 4y agoIncrease in efficiency allows population to grow without using more resources. However, whether it grows is another question. Today, we are seeing a massive collapse in populations around the world, which is a huge problem and no one really knows the root cause.
- lm28469 4y agoNah let's pump and dig every fucking last gram of resource on this planet and burn it to make our gadgets, we need more shit to buy and more shit to throw away, that will surely help. I heard the iphone 17 will solve climate change, coupled with the airpod 4 max S plus it might even cure cancer
- BLKNSLVR 4y agoExcellent conservative political answer, stand athwart history yelling No! (or something close to that). Please engage in the conversation rather than trying to score internet points on a platform that is specifically trying to avoid such.
- BLKNSLVR 4y agoIt's easier to imagine because we don't even need to imagine. Recent history is all the imagination we need.