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No, worst case is that “climate change” is used as an excuse to destroy democracy and rule of law “to save the world”, because radicalised people attack anybody
by coffeeblack 4y ago
No, worst case is that “climate change” is used as an excuse to destroy democracy and rule of law “to save the world”, because radicalised people attack anybody who even sounds like they may have any doubt. It wouldn’t be the first time a true and just cause was abused for that end.
- bowsamic 4y agoWhat makes you think that's the worst case outcome of climate change?
- 988747 4y agoBecause that's the one that actually can happen, unlike apocalyptic visions of "Earth burning", or "famine"
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- ben_w 4y agoYou think famines are unlikely? They've been the irregular default prior to the modern age; I think it will require active efforts to prevent them no matter what happens with the climate.
- 988747 4y agoClimate change might actually increase amount of arable land, by millions of acres, in higher latitudes: Sweden, Finland, Greenland, Canada, etc. It will also increase total rainfall. https://phys.org/news/2018-05-climate-arable.html https://phys.org/news/2018-05-climate-arable.html Yes, it won't be seamless, but we can adjust to new conditions.
- marketneutral 4y ago"I'd rather watch the Earth burn than let 'wokeness' ruin the ideals of free market capitalism!"
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- jandrese 4y agoPlease cite any instances where serious climate change activists threatened democracy or the rule of law or even discussed it. It would be completely counterproductive. One of the biggest problems with Climate Change is that it requires mass collective action, and that requires a stable and rational government or organize. Were climate change activists to promote anarchy it would be impossible for them to achieve their goals.
- 988747 4y agoThey do not promote anarchy, they promote totalitarian rule. Put all those 'climate change deniers' in prison, force them to eat bugs instead of meat, deny them any human rights, that kind of thing.
- jandrese 4y agoSo when you say a "threat to rule of law" you mean too much law? That seems confusingly worded.
- coffeeblack 4y agoOnce people are sufficiently radicalised, laws are not required anymore to put an “enemy” in prison (or worse). For most young Westerners who have never known anything but rule of law, that’s probably difficult to imagine.
- micromacrofoot 4y agoliterally no one with power has seriously proposed anything like this — quite the opposite in fact, the previous US president suggested that windmills cause cancer
- specialist 4y agoForgive me for interrupting your attempts to refute the "Liberal Fascism" trolling... One scenario I've heard, and has me a bit worried, is climate crisis begets a right wing reactionary environmentalism. Basically all the same nativist, anti-immigration, isolationist, anti-trade, yadda yadda, but with an "environmental" justification. So instead of mitigating or undoing the damage, the reactionaries would be energized by protecting what we have from "the other". Not too hard to imagine a crackdown, if scarcity leads to hunger leads to unrest.
- micromacrofoot 4y agoIf ecofascism triumphs over the current surge of ethnonationalism I'll still take that as a win. Doesn't seem likely though given current events and the totality of human history though.
- coffeeblack 4y agoCould you imagine that their might be a third alternative?
- micromacrofoot 4y agoOh of course, I don't think either of those scenarios will actually come to fruition.
- coffeeblack 4y ago*there