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In the laptop market, Apple seems to be a better value purchase, but for some reason the smartphone market seems to be a huge premium for not much value compare

In the laptop market, Apple seems to be a better value purchase, but for some reason the smartphone market seems to be a huge premium for not much value compared to the competition. I understand that in western countries there are network effects like iMessage, etc. A good Samsung or stock android-ish phone almost always seems like a more versatile/capable device. There was a time when I heard that there were great iOS only apps but I don't know of any in 2022.

vladvasiliu 4y ago
> There was a time when I heard that there were great iOS only apps but I don't know of any in 2022. Scenic, a motorcycle navigation app [0]. They've been working on an Android version for a while now, but as far as I'm aware it's still not done. I'm more or less in the market for a new phone, since my iPhone 7 is getting long in the tooth. I've looked at Android, but I'm afraid they won't be supported for as long as my iPhone (which is more than 5 yo and running the latest iOS – don't know if the upcoming release next week supports it, though). I also don't know what the durability / water resistance situation is on non-flagship devices [2]: it must be able to work for hours on end in the rain or sun. I don't use my phone much, basically only for GPS and... calling people (on the phone). So, I'd hate to be forced to upgrade a perfectly good phone just because it hasn't seen in update in three years [1]. --- [0] https://scenic.app/ https://scenic.app/ Its main shtick is being able to offer "curvy" navigation, meaning not the quickest / fastest way between points A and B. [1] I know about alternative ROMs, I used to run one, but I'm past that. I want an appliance-like phone, and for that, the iPhone is best in my eyes. [2] I know flagship devices have got this down, I used to own a Galaxy S5 which was great. But at that point, it's going to be as expensive as an iPhone, so I might as well get that. iOS gets out of my way like I could only dream about while on Android.
- WelcomeShorty 4y ago
  They like quite some personal identifiable information: Location Contact info Identifiers Usage data But it does looks very nice, so I am on the fence...
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    So this is a navigation app, not sure how that would work without access to location data. Selecting "while using" works fine. You can also download offline maps, so it works without internet access (still needs it to download the maps). Not sure what the others are, I usually err on the side of denying access to apps, and I haven't had any issue.
schuke 4y ago
There are many factors. Where I live, for example. Most apps are developed for mobile only. When you don’t have a desktop version of many essential applications, it justifies a more expensive phone. When I divide the price by the amount of time I spend on the device, it seems the results are somewhat equal between the laptop and the iPhone.
smartbit 4y ago
> Apple .. for some reason the smartphone market seems to be a huge premium for not much value compared to the competition. I used my iPhone 6 for 6 years and Apple once replaced the battery for a nominal fee. It got security updates all that time. I feel that was good value for money no Android could ever match unless you install FOSS on it.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

> There was a time when I heard that there were great iOS only apps but I don't know of any in 2022. Scenic, a motorcycle navigation app [0]. They've been working on an Android version for a while now, but as far as I'm aware it's still not done. I'm more or less in the market for a new phone, since my iPhone 7 is getting long in the tooth. I've looked at Android, but I'm afraid they won't be supported for as long as my iPhone (which is more than 5 yo and running the latest iOS – don't know if the upcoming release next week supports it, though). I also don't know what the durability / water resistance situation is on non-flagship devices [2]: it must be able to work for hours on end in the rain or sun. I don't use my phone much, basically only for GPS and... calling people (on the phone). So, I'd hate to be forced to upgrade a perfectly good phone just because it hasn't seen in update in three years [1]. --- [0] https://scenic.app/ https://scenic.app/ Its main shtick is being able to offer "curvy" navigation, meaning not the quickest / fastest way between points A and B. [1] I know about alternative ROMs, I used to run one, but I'm past that. I want an appliance-like phone, and for that, the iPhone is best in my eyes. [2] I know flagship devices have got this down, I used to own a Galaxy S5 which was great. But at that point, it's going to be as expensive as an iPhone, so I might as well get that. iOS gets out of my way like I could only dream about while on Android.

WelcomeShorty 4y ago
They like quite some personal identifiable information: Location Contact info Identifiers Usage data But it does looks very nice, so I am on the fence...
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  So this is a navigation app, not sure how that would work without access to location data. Selecting "while using" works fine. You can also download offline maps, so it works without internet access (still needs it to download the maps). Not sure what the others are, I usually err on the side of denying access to apps, and I haven't had any issue.

schuke 4y ago

There are many factors. Where I live, for example. Most apps are developed for mobile only. When you don’t have a desktop version of many essential applications, it justifies a more expensive phone. When I divide the price by the amount of time I spend on the device, it seems the results are somewhat equal between the laptop and the iPhone.

smartbit 4y ago

> Apple .. for some reason the smartphone market seems to be a huge premium for not much value compared to the competition. I used my iPhone 6 for 6 years and Apple once replaced the battery for a nominal fee. It got security updates all that time. I feel that was good value for money no Android could ever match unless you install FOSS on it.