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Again this is disanalogous. Kim actually perpetrates these hideous crimes to this day. The Queen inherited what you're describing and oversaw decolonisation, to

Again this is disanalogous. Kim actually perpetrates these hideous crimes to this day. The Queen inherited what you're describing and oversaw decolonisation, today largely serving as a figurehead. It'd be like blaming Hirohito's children for the crimes of Hirohito. Children don't inherit their parent's debt. What you could blame her for is not doing more to dismantle the monarchy's non-figurehead powers from the inside. But what you're trying to do is something else entirely and rather gross.

Onewildgamer 4y ago
I agree only on the point that she doesn't inherit the wrong deeds, nothing on her personally. But the place she sits, is from the blood of millions who were enslaved, robbed and were dealt with a rather inhuman treatment to say the least. In the process empire also justified what they did was in the past and cautiously moved away from that without an inch of guilt. It is sad to see people in India/Pakistan/SriLanka mourn for her death, a pity case of Stockholm syndrome. If as you say, she has done good in her life, she should have relinquished the power, disowned the wealth which was directly a result of the horrific colonialism and imperialism. Or at least have some decency and apologise, give back the stolen wealth as a good gesture. Now I wonder, if she would have given up imperialism out of her own volition if she was in power during that period. I am inclining towards No.. it was convenient she didn't have to oversee those horrors. It has been more than 70 years and even now, they hold their crown so precious adorned with the Diamonds taken away forcefully from our lands. What an absolute shame! There are unheard horrors from the colonial countries, which will ache even the stone hearted. Bringing all this in perspective, we don't think she's Kim, but we have the same respect or the lack of it for anyone in their legacy.
- tarunmuvvala 4y ago
  The biggest hypocrisy is that in realm of modern era, do the monarchs have role to play? UK must move on from monarchy and become republic. The commonwealth nation should also do that. It time for the UK to move into a new era.
  - Onewildgamer 4y ago
    It should have happened in the 70s, the 80s or 90s, 2000 or 2010s. I don't think they have any plans for it, and honestly won't care about what others say like we should about them.
- hackerlight 4y ago
  > she should have relinquished the power, disowned the wealth which was directly a result of the horrific colonialism and imperialism. Or at least have some decency and apologise, give back the stolen wealth as a good gesture. Totally fair criticism. But that's not what I've been seeing from any of the criticism until your post. What I've been seeing has been collective filial guilt assignment. The same psychological process underlying racism and other forms of collective guilt assignment. Hatred directed to the Queen little to do with what she did or didn't do, but because of what British Imperialism did in past before she got the job. The post above ours exemplifies this.
  - Onewildgamer 4y ago
    I can see that, it is not what I wish. I don't advocate or recommend any of that to my fellow men. Late Queen and the current British monarchy aren't worthy and I believe they need little of our time spent in empathy. The hatred though is coming from unresolved hurt, which the modern British era is trying hard to forget and won't be easy until they take some sensible directions towards reparations and an honest apology at least from whomever even got to witness, including the late Queen. She had a chance to resolve or ease it in our memories. We'll remember her as someone who lived their life in power, saw the horrors their parents designed upon others and didn't even have courtesy to apologise. So much for the British decency.. Edit: Sorry for the rant. My Grandpa and his kin suffered a lot and was in freedom struggle, it is that lasting impact. I've put it here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32775488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32775488 If you're a brit, please know that I am not against you or anybody for that matter. Just the monarchy's horrific past.
    - hackerlight 4y ago
      > Late Queen and the current British monarchy aren't worthy and I believe they need little of our time spent in empathy. > She had a chance to resolve or ease it in our memories. > Just the monarchy's horrific past. > won't be easy until they take some sensible directions towards reparations and an honest apology All totally reasonable things to say. > The hatred though is coming from unresolved hurt Yeah, that's the explanation, but we shouldn't confuse that with justification. What puts me off about the reaction I'm seeing is more abstract than the details of this particular case. It's the same feeling I have when I see casual anti-White racism, justified as legitimate only because of the existence and history of white supremacy. It's filial guilt and collective guilt put on one individual who didn't perpetrate the crimes that are the actual source of the anger. And it's the cultural normalization and even promotion of such perverse group-based moral systems that I am speaking out against.
- mvc 4y ago
  > In the process empire also justified what they did was in the past and cautiously moved away from that without an inch of guilt This is especially annoying when one sees facist trolls using the misdeeds of the empire to excuse the horrible actions of their dictator of choice. No justice, no peace indeed.
mvc 4y ago
> Children don't inherit their parent's debt Doesn't stop them from inheriting their parents assets though.

Onewildgamer 4y ago

I agree only on the point that she doesn't inherit the wrong deeds, nothing on her personally. But the place she sits, is from the blood of millions who were enslaved, robbed and were dealt with a rather inhuman treatment to say the least. In the process empire also justified what they did was in the past and cautiously moved away from that without an inch of guilt. It is sad to see people in India/Pakistan/SriLanka mourn for her death, a pity case of Stockholm syndrome. If as you say, she has done good in her life, she should have relinquished the power, disowned the wealth which was directly a result of the horrific colonialism and imperialism. Or at least have some decency and apologise, give back the stolen wealth as a good gesture. Now I wonder, if she would have given up imperialism out of her own volition if she was in power during that period. I am inclining towards No.. it was convenient she didn't have to oversee those horrors. It has been more than 70 years and even now, they hold their crown so precious adorned with the Diamonds taken away forcefully from our lands. What an absolute shame! There are unheard horrors from the colonial countries, which will ache even the stone hearted. Bringing all this in perspective, we don't think she's Kim, but we have the same respect or the lack of it for anyone in their legacy.

tarunmuvvala 4y ago
The biggest hypocrisy is that in realm of modern era, do the monarchs have role to play? UK must move on from monarchy and become republic. The commonwealth nation should also do that. It time for the UK to move into a new era.
- Onewildgamer 4y ago
  It should have happened in the 70s, the 80s or 90s, 2000 or 2010s. I don't think they have any plans for it, and honestly won't care about what others say like we should about them.
hackerlight 4y ago
> she should have relinquished the power, disowned the wealth which was directly a result of the horrific colonialism and imperialism. Or at least have some decency and apologise, give back the stolen wealth as a good gesture. Totally fair criticism. But that's not what I've been seeing from any of the criticism until your post. What I've been seeing has been collective filial guilt assignment. The same psychological process underlying racism and other forms of collective guilt assignment. Hatred directed to the Queen little to do with what she did or didn't do, but because of what British Imperialism did in past before she got the job. The post above ours exemplifies this.
- Onewildgamer 4y ago
  I can see that, it is not what I wish. I don't advocate or recommend any of that to my fellow men. Late Queen and the current British monarchy aren't worthy and I believe they need little of our time spent in empathy. The hatred though is coming from unresolved hurt, which the modern British era is trying hard to forget and won't be easy until they take some sensible directions towards reparations and an honest apology at least from whomever even got to witness, including the late Queen. She had a chance to resolve or ease it in our memories. We'll remember her as someone who lived their life in power, saw the horrors their parents designed upon others and didn't even have courtesy to apologise. So much for the British decency.. Edit: Sorry for the rant. My Grandpa and his kin suffered a lot and was in freedom struggle, it is that lasting impact. I've put it here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32775488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32775488 If you're a brit, please know that I am not against you or anybody for that matter. Just the monarchy's horrific past.
  - hackerlight 4y ago
    > Late Queen and the current British monarchy aren't worthy and I believe they need little of our time spent in empathy. > She had a chance to resolve or ease it in our memories. > Just the monarchy's horrific past. > won't be easy until they take some sensible directions towards reparations and an honest apology All totally reasonable things to say. > The hatred though is coming from unresolved hurt Yeah, that's the explanation, but we shouldn't confuse that with justification. What puts me off about the reaction I'm seeing is more abstract than the details of this particular case. It's the same feeling I have when I see casual anti-White racism, justified as legitimate only because of the existence and history of white supremacy. It's filial guilt and collective guilt put on one individual who didn't perpetrate the crimes that are the actual source of the anger. And it's the cultural normalization and even promotion of such perverse group-based moral systems that I am speaking out against.
mvc 4y ago
> In the process empire also justified what they did was in the past and cautiously moved away from that without an inch of guilt This is especially annoying when one sees facist trolls using the misdeeds of the empire to excuse the horrible actions of their dictator of choice. No justice, no peace indeed.

mvc 4y ago

> Children don't inherit their parent's debt Doesn't stop them from inheriting their parents assets though.