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Yes, what could possibly go wrong giving private citizens the right to detain other private citizens https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-geo

Yes, what could possibly go wrong giving private citizens the right to detain other private citizens https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georg...

atdrummond 4y ago
Not what happened here at all.
- scarface74 4y ago
  > If you witness a crime you can arrest the criminal He did not say “if you witness a crime you can call the police”. I don’t want a society where any random yokel thinks he can detain someone.
  - krzyk 4y ago
    You can't argue with the law.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      The old Dixiecrats said the same thing about Jim Crow laws, laws against miscegenation, etc. But that law was in fact “argued against” in the very red Georgia and it was repealed by a Republican legislation and Republican governor
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    Hate to break it to you, but that society has existed for centuries - it’s an accepted rule in most common-law countries. For example, from Wikipedia: “In the United States, a private person may arrest another without a warrant for a crime occurring in their presence. However, the crimes for which this is permitted vary by state.” [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - mpweiher 4y ago
    Then you will have to essentially leave the civilised world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Georgia just outlawed that practice after the very yokels who tried to make a citizens arrest because someone committed a crime of “looking like they don’t belong”
      - miles 4y ago
        >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States > Georgia just outlawed that practice Not exactly; they clarified the circumstances under which a citizen's arrest can be made[0], "including shopkeepers who witness shoplifters and restaurant owners and employees who witness 'dine and dash' customers." [0] https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-n...
kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
The only reason police can detain people is because they are citizens. They don't have any special status that other Americans don't enjoy.
- scarface74 4y ago
  https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-qualified-immunity-and-what-does-it-have-do-police-reform https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-qualified-immunity-and-what... You really think any random person can detain someone? Do you also think you can force someone to stop for speeding? You can arrest someone for smoking weed as an ordinary citizen? Do you think you can sleep with a prostitute and then arrest them? https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/20/cops-prostitutes/99424728/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/20/c...
  - btilly 4y ago
    A police officer has better legal protections, and in practice can get away with a lot more. But in theory, what they are supposed to be able to do is surprisingly similar. On detaining a random person, quoting https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/citizen%27s_arrest https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/citizen%27s_arrest, In general, the ability to perform a citizen’s arrest is the same for a regular person as it is for a police officer without a warrant.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      So let’s say that I was going 80 miles per hour in a 55. I stopped at the gas station and you tried to detain me when I got out of the car. Let’s also say I have a licensed firearm. Also let’s say it was caught on camera that I was minding my business pumping my gas when you tried to detain me. How do you think that’s going to end up both right then and in a court of law? This is completely hypothetical, I don’t own a gun. But, because of the incident I posted. Even the very red GA and the Republican governor thought that it might not be a good idea to let any random yokel detain someone https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-georgia-arrests-government-and-politics-276c5e51f5363112537ceab4159f9dc5 https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-georgia-arrests-gov...

atdrummond 4y ago

Not what happened here at all.

scarface74 4y ago
> If you witness a crime you can arrest the criminal He did not say “if you witness a crime you can call the police”. I don’t want a society where any random yokel thinks he can detain someone.
- krzyk 4y ago
  You can't argue with the law.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    The old Dixiecrats said the same thing about Jim Crow laws, laws against miscegenation, etc. But that law was in fact “argued against” in the very red Georgia and it was repealed by a Republican legislation and Republican governor
- happyopossum 4y ago
  Hate to break it to you, but that society has existed for centuries - it’s an accepted rule in most common-law countries. For example, from Wikipedia: “In the United States, a private person may arrest another without a warrant for a crime occurring in their presence. However, the crimes for which this is permitted vary by state.” [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- mpweiher 4y ago
  Then you will have to essentially leave the civilised world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Georgia just outlawed that practice after the very yokels who tried to make a citizens arrest because someone committed a crime of “looking like they don’t belong”
    - miles 4y ago
      >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States > Georgia just outlawed that practice Not exactly; they clarified the circumstances under which a citizen's arrest can be made[0], "including shopkeepers who witness shoplifters and restaurant owners and employees who witness 'dine and dash' customers." [0] https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-n...

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

The only reason police can detain people is because they are citizens. They don't have any special status that other Americans don't enjoy.

scarface74 4y ago
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-qualified-immunity-and-what-does-it-have-do-police-reform https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-qualified-immunity-and-what... You really think any random person can detain someone? Do you also think you can force someone to stop for speeding? You can arrest someone for smoking weed as an ordinary citizen? Do you think you can sleep with a prostitute and then arrest them? https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/20/cops-prostitutes/99424728/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/20/c...
- btilly 4y ago
  A police officer has better legal protections, and in practice can get away with a lot more. But in theory, what they are supposed to be able to do is surprisingly similar. On detaining a random person, quoting https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/citizen%27s_arrest https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/citizen%27s_arrest, In general, the ability to perform a citizen’s arrest is the same for a regular person as it is for a police officer without a warrant.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So let’s say that I was going 80 miles per hour in a 55. I stopped at the gas station and you tried to detain me when I got out of the car. Let’s also say I have a licensed firearm. Also let’s say it was caught on camera that I was minding my business pumping my gas when you tried to detain me. How do you think that’s going to end up both right then and in a court of law? This is completely hypothetical, I don’t own a gun. But, because of the incident I posted. Even the very red GA and the Republican governor thought that it might not be a good idea to let any random yokel detain someone https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-georgia-arrests-government-and-politics-276c5e51f5363112537ceab4159f9dc5 https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-georgia-arrests-gov...