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Why should my punishment be more severe because you want to stop others from doing something in the future? That's a disproportionate amount of punishment for t

Why should my punishment be more severe because you want to stop others from doing something in the future? That's a disproportionate amount of punishment for the individual. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not have an additional component to be used to deter others who I have no affiliation with. Public prosecution is absolutely terrible way to deal with dealing out punishment. Not all individuals are the same, not all crimes are the same, but once you are given a guilty verdict judges are expected to give out sentencing guidelines that match similar tag lines/crimes regardless of circumstances. Punishment should be more personalized and should be a performance improvement plan based on the individual and how they respond to the effective plan/action.

xyzzyz 4y ago
I can only say that I thoroughly disagree with this, and I have every single society that has ever existed behind me.
- lajamerr 4y ago
  So you should be punished for a crime for more than the harm/compensation/individual deterrence, just so that you can stop future crimes by unrelated people by you being a peg that others can consider if they might commit a similar crime? I really ask you to consider this from a moral standpoint. Society isn't always right. Sometimes society just does things because it's easier, not because it's right.
  - xyzzyz 4y ago
    > So you should be punished for a crime for more than the harm/compensation/individual deterrence, just so that you can stop future crimes by unrelated people by you being a peg that others can consider if they might commit a similar crime? Exactly right. I want to send a message to potential criminals. I think that it’s highly beneficial to sacrifice the well being of a criminal in order to prevent more people from being victimized by other criminals. I think preventing crime is a strong moral imperative, and this is significantly more important consideration than the rights of criminals. In fact, I think putting the latter above the right of the people to not be victimized is morally despicable. I hope that my position is clear.
    - lajamerr 4y ago
      There's all kinds of people in this world and we can all live and have incompatible ideas. Just as you have your position and defend it, so will I. This clash of ideals of various parties I believe helps bring out the ideal solution eventually. The path of adding additional punishment onto the individual/company for the sake of deterrence I believe is the lazy/easy solution. I believe there are smarter/more complex solutions that require more work but are ultimately more just and fair. We might see things differently but I believe we both want a better society and we differ on the way things may be achieved.

xyzzyz 4y ago

I can only say that I thoroughly disagree with this, and I have every single society that has ever existed behind me.

lajamerr 4y ago
So you should be punished for a crime for more than the harm/compensation/individual deterrence, just so that you can stop future crimes by unrelated people by you being a peg that others can consider if they might commit a similar crime? I really ask you to consider this from a moral standpoint. Society isn't always right. Sometimes society just does things because it's easier, not because it's right.
- xyzzyz 4y ago
  > So you should be punished for a crime for more than the harm/compensation/individual deterrence, just so that you can stop future crimes by unrelated people by you being a peg that others can consider if they might commit a similar crime? Exactly right. I want to send a message to potential criminals. I think that it’s highly beneficial to sacrifice the well being of a criminal in order to prevent more people from being victimized by other criminals. I think preventing crime is a strong moral imperative, and this is significantly more important consideration than the rights of criminals. In fact, I think putting the latter above the right of the people to not be victimized is morally despicable. I hope that my position is clear.
  - lajamerr 4y ago
    There's all kinds of people in this world and we can all live and have incompatible ideas. Just as you have your position and defend it, so will I. This clash of ideals of various parties I believe helps bring out the ideal solution eventually. The path of adding additional punishment onto the individual/company for the sake of deterrence I believe is the lazy/easy solution. I believe there are smarter/more complex solutions that require more work but are ultimately more just and fair. We might see things differently but I believe we both want a better society and we differ on the way things may be achieved.