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> Are other alternatives not viable? For example SubscribeStar [1]? It's probably better to have multiple sources of income, rather than a single payment proces

by xena 4y ago

> Are other alternatives not viable? For example SubscribeStar [1]? It's probably better to have multiple sources of income, rather than a single payment processor? Patreon is where the users are. I've evaluated other platforms, but at that point I'm probably going to come up with my own thing on top of Stripe if Patreon falls over. I'm kinda low on ideas on how to make such a migration palatable otherwise. Also for total transparency's sake, posting that thing about Patreon has actually made me lose patron support. > As I wrote in another child comment, it somewhat sounds like enabling 2FA is an alternative to starving creators. If there was a breach in the system itself behind the login system, 2FA won't make an ounce of difference. As a corollary, if credit card information was actually pwned, it's not like people can do much about that either at 10:30 PM EDT on a thursday after the Queen died. The financial system is gonna be kind of tied up. Two factor auth is a more actionable step that can have measurable security benefits. If it really is a credit card pwnage, that's a big enough problem at Patreon's scale that individual actions can't really do anything. It would need a systemic response. I'm hoping this is blown out of proportion too.

surewe 4y ago
> Patreon is where the users are. I've evaluated other platforms, but at that point I'm probably going to come up with my own thing on top of Stripe if Patreon falls over. I'm kinda low on ideas on how to make such a migration palatable otherwise. What about LiberaPay?
- xena 4y ago
  Please reread this sentence: > Patreon is where the users are. Moving my stuff would make for an incomplete migration. I don't want to deal with that.
bArray 4y ago
> Patreon is where the users are. I've evaluated other platforms, but at that point I'm probably going to come up with my own thing on top of Stripe if Patreon falls over. I'm kinda low on ideas on how to make such a migration palatable otherwise. Theoretically it shouldn't be too difficult to periodically charge people and then send this money as a single sum periodically. This is done by companies all of the time. As it's one person you can cut out a lot of the complications. > As a corollary, if credit card information was actually pwned, it's not like people can do much about that either at 10:30 PM EDT on a thursday after the Queen died. The financial system is gonna be kind of tied up. Two factor auth is a more actionable step that can have measurable security benefits. If it really is a credit card pwnage, that's a big enough problem at Patreon's scale that individual actions can't really do anything. It would need a systemic response. Patreon just fired their entire security team, they may not be well positioned for such a scenario. 2FA is of course good to have but I somehow doubt accounts have been compromised in this way (if they have been compromised at all). I suspect that although the Queen has died, financial systems continue to operate near normal (minus the stock market).

by xena 4y ago

surewe 4y ago

xena 4y ago
Please reread this sentence: > Patreon is where the users are. Moving my stuff would make for an incomplete migration. I don't want to deal with that.

bArray 4y ago

> Patreon is where the users are. I've evaluated other platforms, but at that point I'm probably going to come up with my own thing on top of Stripe if Patreon falls over. I'm kinda low on ideas on how to make such a migration palatable otherwise. Theoretically it shouldn't be too difficult to periodically charge people and then send this money as a single sum periodically. This is done by companies all of the time. As it's one person you can cut out a lot of the complications. > As a corollary, if credit card information was actually pwned, it's not like people can do much about that either at 10:30 PM EDT on a thursday after the Queen died. The financial system is gonna be kind of tied up. Two factor auth is a more actionable step that can have measurable security benefits. If it really is a credit card pwnage, that's a big enough problem at Patreon's scale that individual actions can't really do anything. It would need a systemic response. Patreon just fired their entire security team, they may not be well positioned for such a scenario. 2FA is of course good to have but I somehow doubt accounts have been compromised in this way (if they have been compromised at all). I suspect that although the Queen has died, financial systems continue to operate near normal (minus the stock market).