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For us who don't feel for the monarchy or think it has minimal impact or significance on our lives, the next couple of weeks (or months) is going to be grueling

For us who don't feel for the monarchy or think it has minimal impact or significance on our lives, the next couple of weeks (or months) is going to be grueling as we have to stay quiet, bite our tongues and bare the over-the-top ness of this situation to not offend others. I was disappointed in this moderation warning. The ex-prime minister of the UK who led us through a pandemic where hundreds of thousands died has just said it's the UK darkest day. And, I have received an email to say my kids nursery will be closed due to the situation, and they will be talking about bereavement for the kids. He is 2.

baq 4y ago
I don't live in the UK, but it looks like it's a proper big deal for a large part of your society... I guess that's what society is about. Sometimes you have to give way.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  > I guess that's what society is about. Sometimes you have to give way. Would you be saying the same thing if we were talking about racist, or homophobic individuals? Let's not pretend that the monarchy doesn't have victims.
  - baq 4y ago
    Neither does democracy. Life is mostly gray. Also I don't feel like explaining all the possible meanings of 'sometimes'.
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      Geez, suggesting democracy has victims sounds an awful like suggesting we might as well return to slavery because free people harm other free people.
Veen 4y ago
I would suggest that many more people are saddened by the Queen’s death than consider it a meaningless inconvenience, as you appear to. Perhaps you could be sensitive to the feelings of your fellow citizens, even if they do disrupt your day somewhat.
- creativenolo 4y ago
  My point is not the meaningless, or the inconvenience. But the over the top reaction. Many people are saddened with a small s. Many people don't care much at all. Many people appose to it (and are saddened.) You may suggest more. But you or I can't know for sure. That's my point. Millions in the UK lost someone during the pandemic. I'm sure these were darker days. It's the perspective and balance that I feel is off.
karencarits 4y ago
Society is give and take; roads and services are closed, tax money spent, and favorite TV shows cancelled for things like sports events, concerts, and state visits that one may personally oppose I hope you manage to find some meaning in what will happen in the next few weeks. For many, this is a great loss, perhaps can there be learning in being curious and compassionate regarding other people's experience of loss and grief, and their hopes and fears for the future
- handoflixue 4y ago
  I'm not saying it's entirely reasonable to lay all of that hate on the Queen's feet. But just as she was a symbol of hope and progress to some, she's a symbol of a deeply evil, globe-spanning empire to others. I don't think you can give her credit for the good without accepting at least some credit for all the harm that happened under her watch as well. If we're expected to be understanding to the people grieving the loss of a celebrity, surely we should be a thousand times more understanding to all the people who are angry at far greater losses caused by the British Empire.
that_guy_iain 4y ago
> I was disappointed in this moderation warning. You were disappointed that there was a moderation warning when some people are celebrating her death? Her job was to take pictures and open hospitals. And random people who dislike the idea of royality or dislike the UK are posting some rancid patter. Sure all, it's all over the top, sure many people don't care. The warning wasn't there for people who didn't care. It was there because there are literally people going around acting like this woman was a war criminal when she held no real power, if she ever tried to use any power she technically had it would have caused chaos and resulted in that power being removed and the royal family being removed. Some people acting like Indians would be dancing on her grave even though they've been indpendent for all of her reign and every Indian I've met has been interested in the Queen and royal family like all other people are. Or the Irish are happy she is dead, maybe in the 80s or 90s at the peak of the troubles but most people won't care just like most people in the UK don't care. And let's be serious, you won't have to bite your tongue that much since most other people will be complaining about it all in a few days.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > You were disappointed that there was a moderation warning when some people are celebrating her death? Actually, if you read dang's comments you'll see that's not why it was moderated. In fact, there's obviously nothing wrong with celebrating her death as many see her as a tyrant who committed and maintained massive atrocities. The problem here, were the massive amount of low-quality comments just saying stuff like "Good" and "fuck the monarchy" (and nothing else.) See his comment above for more references and explanations.
  - that_guy_iain 4y ago
    Actually, you seem to misunderstand the difference from being critical of someone and being rancid and celebrating their death. And honestly, I think there is something wrong with celebrating the death of a woman who had no power and whose primary job was being a mascot. If you think she did have any power you clearly misunderstand the political landscape of the countries she was the mascot for.
7952 4y ago
I agree that it will be a trying few weeks. Although I think these kind of situation can give voice to existing pain in peoples lives. And the losses of covid may be expressed as grief for the Queen. It is easier for some people to feel those kind of emotions when the object is less personal and less complicated. The emotions flow precisely because she had minimal impact or significance on our lives. If it really was personal people would want to keep their emotions more private. But the collective nature of the loss lifts the veil and the sadness becomes public. And of course the media and VIPs will milk it for all its worth.
Accacin 4y ago
Really? Nearly everyone I know is somewhat against the monarchy and think it should be abolished, but my parents are very pro-monarchy. The only thing my dad said was, "Did you hear the news? Very sad", and I said, "Yeah, very sad" and that was it. Is it really hard to have a bit of empathy for people who are sad that someone they loved/admired/respected has died? A nursery closing is odd, but again, their choice. Talking about bereavement sounds very healthy to me, whatever the excuse for it.

baq 4y ago

I don't live in the UK, but it looks like it's a proper big deal for a large part of your society... I guess that's what society is about. Sometimes you have to give way.

encryptluks2 4y ago
> I guess that's what society is about. Sometimes you have to give way. Would you be saying the same thing if we were talking about racist, or homophobic individuals? Let's not pretend that the monarchy doesn't have victims.
- baq 4y ago
  Neither does democracy. Life is mostly gray. Also I don't feel like explaining all the possible meanings of 'sometimes'.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    Geez, suggesting democracy has victims sounds an awful like suggesting we might as well return to slavery because free people harm other free people.

Veen 4y ago

I would suggest that many more people are saddened by the Queen’s death than consider it a meaningless inconvenience, as you appear to. Perhaps you could be sensitive to the feelings of your fellow citizens, even if they do disrupt your day somewhat.

creativenolo 4y ago
My point is not the meaningless, or the inconvenience. But the over the top reaction. Many people are saddened with a small s. Many people don't care much at all. Many people appose to it (and are saddened.) You may suggest more. But you or I can't know for sure. That's my point. Millions in the UK lost someone during the pandemic. I'm sure these were darker days. It's the perspective and balance that I feel is off.

karencarits 4y ago

Society is give and take; roads and services are closed, tax money spent, and favorite TV shows cancelled for things like sports events, concerts, and state visits that one may personally oppose I hope you manage to find some meaning in what will happen in the next few weeks. For many, this is a great loss, perhaps can there be learning in being curious and compassionate regarding other people's experience of loss and grief, and their hopes and fears for the future

handoflixue 4y ago
I'm not saying it's entirely reasonable to lay all of that hate on the Queen's feet. But just as she was a symbol of hope and progress to some, she's a symbol of a deeply evil, globe-spanning empire to others. I don't think you can give her credit for the good without accepting at least some credit for all the harm that happened under her watch as well. If we're expected to be understanding to the people grieving the loss of a celebrity, surely we should be a thousand times more understanding to all the people who are angry at far greater losses caused by the British Empire.

that_guy_iain 4y ago

> I was disappointed in this moderation warning. You were disappointed that there was a moderation warning when some people are celebrating her death? Her job was to take pictures and open hospitals. And random people who dislike the idea of royality or dislike the UK are posting some rancid patter. Sure all, it's all over the top, sure many people don't care. The warning wasn't there for people who didn't care. It was there because there are literally people going around acting like this woman was a war criminal when she held no real power, if she ever tried to use any power she technically had it would have caused chaos and resulted in that power being removed and the royal family being removed. Some people acting like Indians would be dancing on her grave even though they've been indpendent for all of her reign and every Indian I've met has been interested in the Queen and royal family like all other people are. Or the Irish are happy she is dead, maybe in the 80s or 90s at the peak of the troubles but most people won't care just like most people in the UK don't care. And let's be serious, you won't have to bite your tongue that much since most other people will be complaining about it all in a few days.

guerrilla 4y ago
> You were disappointed that there was a moderation warning when some people are celebrating her death? Actually, if you read dang's comments you'll see that's not why it was moderated. In fact, there's obviously nothing wrong with celebrating her death as many see her as a tyrant who committed and maintained massive atrocities. The problem here, were the massive amount of low-quality comments just saying stuff like "Good" and "fuck the monarchy" (and nothing else.) See his comment above for more references and explanations.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  Actually, you seem to misunderstand the difference from being critical of someone and being rancid and celebrating their death. And honestly, I think there is something wrong with celebrating the death of a woman who had no power and whose primary job was being a mascot. If you think she did have any power you clearly misunderstand the political landscape of the countries she was the mascot for.

7952 4y ago

I agree that it will be a trying few weeks. Although I think these kind of situation can give voice to existing pain in peoples lives. And the losses of covid may be expressed as grief for the Queen. It is easier for some people to feel those kind of emotions when the object is less personal and less complicated. The emotions flow precisely because she had minimal impact or significance on our lives. If it really was personal people would want to keep their emotions more private. But the collective nature of the loss lifts the veil and the sadness becomes public. And of course the media and VIPs will milk it for all its worth.

Accacin 4y ago

Really? Nearly everyone I know is somewhat against the monarchy and think it should be abolished, but my parents are very pro-monarchy. The only thing my dad said was, "Did you hear the news? Very sad", and I said, "Yeah, very sad" and that was it. Is it really hard to have a bit of empathy for people who are sad that someone they loved/admired/respected has died? A nursery closing is odd, but again, their choice. Talking about bereavement sounds very healthy to me, whatever the excuse for it.