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One of the most fundamental characteristics of evil is that the evil person cannot help but desire to gain fame for their crimes. (Just look up how many crimina

One of the most fundamental characteristics of evil is that the evil person cannot help but desire to gain fame for their crimes. (Just look up how many criminals have been arrested by their social media posts.) A Secret Society might be completely secretive, and yet be unable to resist helping themselves to claiming some credit. Kind of like the Anonymous hacker group in their day. Or Ross Ulbricht adopting the name "Dread Pirate Roberts" on all of his work which really hurt him when he was caught.

IncRnd 4y ago
It's a real jump to go from "secret society" to "evil criminals".
- RutgerHauer 4y ago
  it's a real jump to go from "criminal" to "evil"
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    Someone didn't read before commenting.
nkzd 4y ago
That's very interesting. Makes you wonder how many criminals escaped justice because they had a willpower to resist temptation of fame.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I’ve heard multiple people who would know say that if someone plans a crime well and singly, there’s often a very good chance they’ll never be caught. It’s repeat action that gets them.
pessimizer 4y ago
This is almost a paraphrase of the definition of survivorship bias. You would expect a preponderance of bigmouths amongst people who are widely known to have been caught for crimes. It would be bad to assume that this is because people who do crimes love to talk about them, rather than that people who talk about crimes get caught.
more_corn 4y ago
There’s no such thing as evil. It therefore has no fundamental traits. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks of himself as evil. Everyone is the hero of his own story. Take “the dread pirate roberts” you know it’s a reference to The Princess Bride right? The hero of The Princess Bride? Now Ross ram a high drug site on the dark web. Was Ross evil? He certainly didn’t think so. He philosophically disagreed with drug laws. The Silk Road didn’t trade in things Ross thought were evil (I seem to recall from the write up in wires that he banned human trafficking etc). He simply thought everyone should have the right to choose for themselves. I bet he thought he was providing a service. Was he evil? Not in his own mind. Did he seek fame with his name? Err, no? He was choosing a handle to specifically mask his name (he always planned to play the “it was the other dread pirate roberts the whole time” card) I don’t think you can point to a single person who thinks of themselves as evil. (Even psychopaths don’t think of themselves as evil, they just don’t think other people are worthy of consideration. —I seem to recall that hitler was a vegetarian. If you asked him he’d say he was a hero of his people.) And as for criminals seeking fame… probably no more or less than any human seeks fame. Or maybe to say it another way, everyone probably seeks recognition of skill.
- pyinstallwoes 4y ago
  Evil exists. You’re rationalizing pure logic. If I stalked you, terrorized you, did the most irrationally consistently irrational things to anything in your world and those near you, you’d be hard pressed to call me anything other than driven by evil. There is meticulous, introspective, malicious, terrible intent that reads its head. Luckily it seems rare but sadly I’ve come across it.
  - galaxyLogic 4y ago
    3 kinds of evil: 1. Greed: You desire something that someone else has so you steal it, or cheat to get it etc. and thus cause harm to those who lose what you gain. 2. Jealousy: You love/want somebody but they give their love to someone else, you hate that someone else - because you think it prevents you from getting love. Then you do bad things to those people who you are jealous of to make them look bad etc., or even do things to make them disappear from the scene etc. 3. Envy: You see that some people have what you don't and therefore you hate them and want to destroy their happiness. The last one is the worst kind of evil. In 1. you get something by stealing. You benefit from that. In 2. you (try to) prevent someone from directing love away from you. But you still do it for love, to get love, and maybe you do. In 3. you are just pure evil because nobody benefits, not even you, from destroying the happiness of others. Envy is the worst kind of Evil. You try to prevent others from having something you can not have.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
> One of the most fundamental characteristics of evil is that the evil person cannot help but desire to gain fame for their crimes. (Just look up how many criminals have been arrested by their social media posts.) Selection bias, no? You're drawing a conclusion about the whole from the subset who seek fame and get caught.

IncRnd 4y ago

It's a real jump to go from "secret society" to "evil criminals".

RutgerHauer 4y ago
it's a real jump to go from "criminal" to "evil"
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Someone didn't read before commenting.

nkzd 4y ago

That's very interesting. Makes you wonder how many criminals escaped justice because they had a willpower to resist temptation of fame.

bombcar 4y ago
I’ve heard multiple people who would know say that if someone plans a crime well and singly, there’s often a very good chance they’ll never be caught. It’s repeat action that gets them.

pessimizer 4y ago

This is almost a paraphrase of the definition of survivorship bias. You would expect a preponderance of bigmouths amongst people who are widely known to have been caught for crimes. It would be bad to assume that this is because people who do crimes love to talk about them, rather than that people who talk about crimes get caught.

more_corn 4y ago

There’s no such thing as evil. It therefore has no fundamental traits. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks of himself as evil. Everyone is the hero of his own story. Take “the dread pirate roberts” you know it’s a reference to The Princess Bride right? The hero of The Princess Bride? Now Ross ram a high drug site on the dark web. Was Ross evil? He certainly didn’t think so. He philosophically disagreed with drug laws. The Silk Road didn’t trade in things Ross thought were evil (I seem to recall from the write up in wires that he banned human trafficking etc). He simply thought everyone should have the right to choose for themselves. I bet he thought he was providing a service. Was he evil? Not in his own mind. Did he seek fame with his name? Err, no? He was choosing a handle to specifically mask his name (he always planned to play the “it was the other dread pirate roberts the whole time” card) I don’t think you can point to a single person who thinks of themselves as evil. (Even psychopaths don’t think of themselves as evil, they just don’t think other people are worthy of consideration. —I seem to recall that hitler was a vegetarian. If you asked him he’d say he was a hero of his people.) And as for criminals seeking fame… probably no more or less than any human seeks fame. Or maybe to say it another way, everyone probably seeks recognition of skill.

pyinstallwoes 4y ago
Evil exists. You’re rationalizing pure logic. If I stalked you, terrorized you, did the most irrationally consistently irrational things to anything in your world and those near you, you’d be hard pressed to call me anything other than driven by evil. There is meticulous, introspective, malicious, terrible intent that reads its head. Luckily it seems rare but sadly I’ve come across it.
- galaxyLogic 4y ago
  3 kinds of evil: 1. Greed: You desire something that someone else has so you steal it, or cheat to get it etc. and thus cause harm to those who lose what you gain. 2. Jealousy: You love/want somebody but they give their love to someone else, you hate that someone else - because you think it prevents you from getting love. Then you do bad things to those people who you are jealous of to make them look bad etc., or even do things to make them disappear from the scene etc. 3. Envy: You see that some people have what you don't and therefore you hate them and want to destroy their happiness. The last one is the worst kind of evil. In 1. you get something by stealing. You benefit from that. In 2. you (try to) prevent someone from directing love away from you. But you still do it for love, to get love, and maybe you do. In 3. you are just pure evil because nobody benefits, not even you, from destroying the happiness of others. Envy is the worst kind of Evil. You try to prevent others from having something you can not have.

MichaelCollins 4y ago

> One of the most fundamental characteristics of evil is that the evil person cannot help but desire to gain fame for their crimes. (Just look up how many criminals have been arrested by their social media posts.) Selection bias, no? You're drawing a conclusion about the whole from the subset who seek fame and get caught.