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iMessage purposefully kneecaps communication with non-apple devices. They are trying, and succeeding, to make it extremely cumbersome to text androids. I can't

iMessage purposefully kneecaps communication with non-apple devices. They are trying, and succeeding, to make it extremely cumbersome to text androids. I can't blame them, it's an incredibly successful strategy that has locked me into their ecosystem at the very least. But it's also obviously anti-competitive.

pwinnski 4y ago
I'm not seeing it. I can text phones running Android just fine. I can't use new carrier-dependent features when texting Android phones, but Verizon Android users couldn't use those new features either until a couple of months ago, so I'm not sure how upset I should be about Apple still not supporting that. I don't think I would call it "cumbersome," let alone "extremely cumbersome." I see no artificial restrictions on communicating with Android devices. Nothing is blocked, nothing is available but restricted, so I don't think "kneecapped" is the right word here. They are not investing the effort to support a new thing, Google's umpteenth effort at messaging, which requires carrier dependence and undermines end-to-end encryption. Some people might find that unfortunate, but I don't think "refusing to implement new service" is the same as "kneecapping communication," personally.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  > I can text phones running Android just fine. I don't agree. Waiting ten plus seconds for each text to send is not a viable way to have a conversation. Anything beyond 5 or so texts becomes unbearbale.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    That is very much not my experience. At all. I just tested it again, in case something had changed recently without my notice, and a friend with whom I only use SMS responded within five seconds of me hitting send, so clearly there was no delay of any kind when sending the message, let alone a ten-second-plus delay! That sounds very broken, and you might want to contact your phone service provider about it. Unless...are you perhaps talking about when someone with whom you previously used iMessage is offline, or switches away from iOS, and the Messages app first tries iMessage, and only when that fails, falls back to SMS? Because that process includes a delay (while it tries to establish an iMessage link). But that should only happen in very limited circumstances for a very limited period of time. That's the only thing other than service issues I can think of that you might mean.
    - pwinnski 4y ago
      Oh, duh, don't need to rely on a generally-available remote friend. I disabled iMessage on my phone and send SMS to my partner while watching their phone. Had them respond. In both cases, sub-second delivery. There is normally no delay for SMS messages for me. Again, I can text phones running Android just fine.

pwinnski 4y ago

I'm not seeing it. I can text phones running Android just fine. I can't use new carrier-dependent features when texting Android phones, but Verizon Android users couldn't use those new features either until a couple of months ago, so I'm not sure how upset I should be about Apple still not supporting that. I don't think I would call it "cumbersome," let alone "extremely cumbersome." I see no artificial restrictions on communicating with Android devices. Nothing is blocked, nothing is available but restricted, so I don't think "kneecapped" is the right word here. They are not investing the effort to support a new thing, Google's umpteenth effort at messaging, which requires carrier dependence and undermines end-to-end encryption. Some people might find that unfortunate, but I don't think "refusing to implement new service" is the same as "kneecapping communication," personally.

colinmhayes 4y ago
> I can text phones running Android just fine. I don't agree. Waiting ten plus seconds for each text to send is not a viable way to have a conversation. Anything beyond 5 or so texts becomes unbearbale.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  That is very much not my experience. At all. I just tested it again, in case something had changed recently without my notice, and a friend with whom I only use SMS responded within five seconds of me hitting send, so clearly there was no delay of any kind when sending the message, let alone a ten-second-plus delay! That sounds very broken, and you might want to contact your phone service provider about it. Unless...are you perhaps talking about when someone with whom you previously used iMessage is offline, or switches away from iOS, and the Messages app first tries iMessage, and only when that fails, falls back to SMS? Because that process includes a delay (while it tries to establish an iMessage link). But that should only happen in very limited circumstances for a very limited period of time. That's the only thing other than service issues I can think of that you might mean.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    Oh, duh, don't need to rely on a generally-available remote friend. I disabled iMessage on my phone and send SMS to my partner while watching their phone. Had them respond. In both cases, sub-second delivery. There is normally no delay for SMS messages for me. Again, I can text phones running Android just fine.