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Well said. Look at the HDI: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/indicies/HDI https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/in

by movedx 4y ago

Well said. Look at the HDI: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/indicies/HDI https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/in... Look at the top ten countries. How many are a constitutional monarchy? Which of them would you rather live in? :-)

volkse 4y ago
The preservation of traditional institutions (like monarchy) does not have a direct influence on HDI. Both high HDI scores and the fact that traditional institutions (no matter how expensive) are preserved has to do with long sustained periods of political stability, physical security and as a result, economic prosperity.
fsloth 4y ago
I think monarchy is irrelevant for HDI and the correlation is more about long term political stability rather than better politics. My country (Finland) could have been a monarchy but ended up not being so. I can’t imagine what could be better with a monarch.
- green_on_black 4y ago
  Presumably, a life-long monarch would enhance political stability.
  - pavlov 4y ago
    In Finland, already one of the most politically stable countries in the world? There’s no discernible difference on this count between Finland and its Nordic peers that are constitutional monarchies.
  - fsloth 4y ago
    If we agree to measure political stability as world bank does, the only countries more politically stable in the world than Finland in 2015 were Switzerland and New Zealand. https://govdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/hd8f5d509?indicator=40265&viz=bar_chart https://govdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/hd8f5d509?indica... I fail to see how making Finland more stable would improve anything, or that adding a monarch would achieve this goal. Royalism sounds like the hunt for a silver bullet that would fix complex problems and institutions in a society. I don't think there is any evidence quasi-religion by itself improves institutions.
scaramanga 4y ago
None of them are constitutional monarchies in quite the same way the UK is? The UK has a uniquely intact monarchic system.. But then, the UK is an outlier in many things when compared with similarly wealthy countries.

by movedx 4y ago

volkse 4y ago

The preservation of traditional institutions (like monarchy) does not have a direct influence on HDI. Both high HDI scores and the fact that traditional institutions (no matter how expensive) are preserved has to do with long sustained periods of political stability, physical security and as a result, economic prosperity.

fsloth 4y ago

I think monarchy is irrelevant for HDI and the correlation is more about long term political stability rather than better politics. My country (Finland) could have been a monarchy but ended up not being so. I can’t imagine what could be better with a monarch.

green_on_black 4y ago
Presumably, a life-long monarch would enhance political stability.
- pavlov 4y ago
  In Finland, already one of the most politically stable countries in the world? There’s no discernible difference on this count between Finland and its Nordic peers that are constitutional monarchies.
- fsloth 4y ago
  If we agree to measure political stability as world bank does, the only countries more politically stable in the world than Finland in 2015 were Switzerland and New Zealand. https://govdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/hd8f5d509?indicator=40265&viz=bar_chart https://govdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/hd8f5d509?indica... I fail to see how making Finland more stable would improve anything, or that adding a monarch would achieve this goal. Royalism sounds like the hunt for a silver bullet that would fix complex problems and institutions in a society. I don't think there is any evidence quasi-religion by itself improves institutions.

scaramanga 4y ago

None of them are constitutional monarchies in quite the same way the UK is? The UK has a uniquely intact monarchic system.. But then, the UK is an outlier in many things when compared with similarly wealthy countries.