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In most of our lifetimes we will also utter “The King and Queen of England” since Charles is already 76. British seem to treasure this tradition, where as we Am
by jesuscript 4y ago
In most of our lifetimes we will also utter “The King and Queen of England” since Charles is already 76. British seem to treasure this tradition, where as we Americans definitely got rid of a Jefferson stature somewhere recently.
struck me as unfamiliar.
Nope, it’s been quite familiar to even someone several hundred years ago.
- secondcoming 4y agoI don't think Camilla will become Queen, but I'm not 100% sure of the arcane rules
- mizzao 4y agoI think GP may have been referring to Prince William and Catherine.
- bregma 4y agoShe is styled the Queen Consort. She is not a queen.
- wlonkly 4y agoI know it's getting into technicalities, but "consort" modifies "queen", like "pro" modifies "airpods". The opposite is a queen regnant. Both are queens. So while you're right that she is styled Her Majesty the Queen Consort, she is the same kind of queen that Queen Charlotte was. I think you're right that people are avoiding the phrase "Queen Camilla" at the moment but I think it will come into use. (But she is definitely not the sovereign.)
- Macha 4y agoQueen Elizabeth's mother was also "Queen Elizabeth" as wife of the king, until her daughter took the throne and she became the "Queen Mother" to distinguish which Queen Elizabeth. (This is not the same as her mother being Queen Elizabeth I, which was the tudor queen from the 1500s, wife-of-king queens don't take up a number). It's a weird bit of asymmetry to the husband-of-queen title being decided on an adhoc basis, having been a prince of denmark, prince-consort of the united kingdom and prince of the united kingdom respectively.
- jesuscript 4y agoImagine it was as simple as Royal Member Level 2 and Staff Royal Family Member.
- caf 4y agoIt's a weird bit of asymmetry to the husband-of-queen title being decided on an adhoc basis... The asymmetry derives from an asymmetry in the titles themselves: the title "King" outranks the title "Queen", rather than those titles being of equal rank. You can't have someone other than the monarch outranking the monarch, so the husband of the reigning Queen can't be a King.
- amachefe 4y agoThere are many things (more than monarchy) that sets Americans and UK apart... even Europe generally. Europeans civilization are 1000s of years old, America is a baby compared to them, the history and memory are very different.
- worik 4y ago> Europeans civilization are 1000s of years old Not really. The Greeks, the Arabs, yes. But 2,000 years ago the Europeans were were not "civilised" in the sense that we think of.
- School-Cotton 4y agoSure it wasn’t modern but the Roman Empire, which did exist 2,000 years ago, was in many ways the prototype for European law, culture, politics, etc.
- throwaway894345 4y agoThere were still lots of tribal federations, but the Roman Empire was still in full swing.
- arinlen 4y ago> * But 2,000 years ago the Europeans were were not "civilised" in the sense that we think of.* That really depends on what's your definition of "Europeans" and "civilized". The Catholic church exists for around 2 thousand years,is still alive and well, has its capital in Italy, and has defined western society for centuries.
- morelisp 4y ago> The Catholic church exists for around 2 thousand years And even by the most forgiving measure, took three centuries to become anything you might historically call "European".
- Lio 4y agoThere’s a Roman town near where I live that’s roughly 2000 years old. The Romans built roads, aqueducts, houses with central heating and massive great walls across the landscape. They might have been violent but it’s hard to claim they weren’t a civilisation.
- throwaway894345 4y ago> Nope, it’s been quite familiar to even someone several hundred years ago. I'm not sure what point you're making here. I'm not claiming England has never had a King before, I'm pointing out that I'm used to seeing "Her Majesty the Queen" rather than "His Majesty the King" all over.
- epolanski 4y agoAlso all the stuff like Her Majesty Ship for every british navy vessel.
- throwaway894345 4y agoI was just watching a British crime show and learned that the prisons are part of Her Majesty’s Prison System (or some such).
- sangnoir 4y agoI daydreams of becoming an indie game developer and publishing under the name Her Majesty's Pencil Service That name was inspired by the very real HMSO: Her Majesty's Stationary Office(!): a name that struck me as absurdly pretentious for something really mundane.
- caf 4y agoHence the phrase "detained at Her Majesty's pleasure".