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Since they are contributing to school bullying. not having a blue bubble shouldn't matter, but we forget how brutal school was.

threatofrain 4y ago
The color also refers to whether your messages are end to end encrypted, which is a big deal in messaging. Is the presence or absence of a padlock on browsers embarrassing? What if iMessage merely said “This message is not secured by encryption.”?
- angryasian 4y ago
  They've released whats obtainable through imessages "encryption". If it was so important to Apple that their users privacy matters to them, they'd give people a way to cross platform encryption. Apple iMessage Message content limited. Subpoena: can render basic subscriber information. 18 USC §2703(d): can render 25 days of iMessage lookups and from a target number. Pen Register: no capability. *Search Warrant: can render backups of a target device; if target uses iCloud backup, the encryption keys should also be provided with content return can also acquire iMessages from iCloud returns if target has enabled Messages in iCloud.
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    What you're saying is that Apple complies with the law and that iCloud is not encrypted by default. iMessages are still encrypted end to end. We surely don't desire Apple to take on the American government and win. I assume you're also not saying that because iMessages isn't anti-FBI secure, that we mind as well go fully unsecured? It's not Apple's obligation to force Google to submit to Apple's encryption protocols, and it's not Apple's obligation to force SMS standards to comply with their standard. Your concern was about bullying. Would it be better if Apple simply did away with the colors and notified you that "THIS MESSAGE IS UNENCRYPTED."?
    - angryasian 4y ago
      today on HN shill moves goal posts. First you brought up encryption. second it's not apples obligation to force encryption, but if they really cared about your privacy it's as easy as releasing iMessage for Android. Apple won't even talk about compatibility for Android so technically it is on Apple to offer a solution if they really cared Third you brought up encryption not me
    - thayne 4y ago
      If the message was actually end-to-end encrypted, Apple wouldn't have the plaintext to give to law enforcement in the first place. And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that.
      - threatofrain 4y ago
        > If the message was actually end-to-end encrypted, Apple wouldn't have the plaintext to give to law enforcement in the first place. Apple does provide an alternative way to use the iPhone for maximum security with a tradeoff in inconvenience which most would consider unacceptable. Google, Samsung, etc. offers nothing of the sort, and I do wonder whether phone vendors would ever be interested in investing in a feature which essentially destroys the convenience of using your phone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32003756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32003756 The EFF considers Apple's messaging to be end-to-end encrypted. You could choose to not use iCloud, in which case the only practical way to obtain your messages would be to seize your phone. But since they are end-to-end encrypted, if an Apple employee were able to intercept and decrypt messages, then that would be big security news. If for whatever reason your concept of security is narrowly focused on resisting judicial warrants or state actors, then Android would only be worse here. > And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that. The RCS you mention is essentially Google's own standard, one which US carriers have chosen to reject. If Google could reach consensus with carriers and major phone vendors on a new standard, Apple would likely be forced to accept the new standard. Then RCS would become the true successor to SMS. There are also other phone apps which use their own custom protocol. In some countries, WhatsApp is the most prominent messaging app.

threatofrain 4y ago

The color also refers to whether your messages are end to end encrypted, which is a big deal in messaging. Is the presence or absence of a padlock on browsers embarrassing? What if iMessage merely said “This message is not secured by encryption.”?

angryasian 4y ago
They've released whats obtainable through imessages "encryption". If it was so important to Apple that their users privacy matters to them, they'd give people a way to cross platform encryption. Apple iMessage Message content limited. Subpoena: can render basic subscriber information. 18 USC §2703(d): can render 25 days of iMessage lookups and from a target number. Pen Register: no capability. *Search Warrant: can render backups of a target device; if target uses iCloud backup, the encryption keys should also be provided with content return can also acquire iMessages from iCloud returns if target has enabled Messages in iCloud.
- threatofrain 4y ago
  What you're saying is that Apple complies with the law and that iCloud is not encrypted by default. iMessages are still encrypted end to end. We surely don't desire Apple to take on the American government and win. I assume you're also not saying that because iMessages isn't anti-FBI secure, that we mind as well go fully unsecured? It's not Apple's obligation to force Google to submit to Apple's encryption protocols, and it's not Apple's obligation to force SMS standards to comply with their standard. Your concern was about bullying. Would it be better if Apple simply did away with the colors and notified you that "THIS MESSAGE IS UNENCRYPTED."?
  - angryasian 4y ago
    today on HN shill moves goal posts. First you brought up encryption. second it's not apples obligation to force encryption, but if they really cared about your privacy it's as easy as releasing iMessage for Android. Apple won't even talk about compatibility for Android so technically it is on Apple to offer a solution if they really cared Third you brought up encryption not me
  - thayne 4y ago
    If the message was actually end-to-end encrypted, Apple wouldn't have the plaintext to give to law enforcement in the first place. And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that.
    - threatofrain 4y ago
      > If the message was actually end-to-end encrypted, Apple wouldn't have the plaintext to give to law enforcement in the first place. Apple does provide an alternative way to use the iPhone for maximum security with a tradeoff in inconvenience which most would consider unacceptable. Google, Samsung, etc. offers nothing of the sort, and I do wonder whether phone vendors would ever be interested in investing in a feature which essentially destroys the convenience of using your phone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32003756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32003756 The EFF considers Apple's messaging to be end-to-end encrypted. You could choose to not use iCloud, in which case the only practical way to obtain your messages would be to seize your phone. But since they are end-to-end encrypted, if an Apple employee were able to intercept and decrypt messages, then that would be big security news. If for whatever reason your concept of security is narrowly focused on resisting judicial warrants or state actors, then Android would only be worse here. > And if iMessages supported RCS, then messages to Android could be encrypted too, but Apple chooses not to support that. The RCS you mention is essentially Google's own standard, one which US carriers have chosen to reject. If Google could reach consensus with carriers and major phone vendors on a new standard, Apple would likely be forced to accept the new standard. Then RCS would become the true successor to SMS. There are also other phone apps which use their own custom protocol. In some countries, WhatsApp is the most prominent messaging app.