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I don't have an issue with tougher policing of the fare with actual doors and police presence but a patdown is kind of ridiculous. I'm afraid people too easily

I don't have an issue with tougher policing of the fare with actual doors and police presence but a patdown is kind of ridiculous. I'm afraid people too easily give up their freedom for a tiny increase in safety

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
nope. a patdown to prevent any concealed weapons is a good thing.... may i ask, what kind of freedoms do you loose if you are 100% sure that in a train station or in a train that no one is carrying a knife or a gun or something lethal? >tiny increase in safety yeah, right... guns don't kill people, it is people who kill people. same for cigarettes i suppose.
- codyb 4y ago
  I dunno, that seems like a lot to me living in NYC where we have basically none of that and life is fine. We all get on the train and go our ways and peak ridership is millions a day (prepandemic was almost 6 million on the MTA trains alone (not including the LIRR, Metro North, and NJ Transit, and Amtrak)). I don't think anyone in NYC wants that. Talk about a police presence sheesh. And yea I just talked about the perception issues, which is why they're cracking down on fare evaders. Basically increasing police presence to make people feel like it's the safe system they've been using for years before the pandemic.
  - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
    NYC subway is said to be stinky, with homeless people and people dying and such, people throwing fights and stuff... >And yea I just talked about the perception issues, which is why they're cracking down on fare evaders. why should that not be a problem when they are running a public utility? oh, did i mention that women just have to carry an empty "card" with no balance and they can "actually freeride" the whole train for as long as they want ? so only men have to pay for their rides and everyone is happy with the arrangement in delhi so why should they NOT enforce men not paying?

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

nope. a patdown to prevent any concealed weapons is a good thing.... may i ask, what kind of freedoms do you loose if you are 100% sure that in a train station or in a train that no one is carrying a knife or a gun or something lethal? >tiny increase in safety yeah, right... guns don't kill people, it is people who kill people. same for cigarettes i suppose.

codyb 4y ago
I dunno, that seems like a lot to me living in NYC where we have basically none of that and life is fine. We all get on the train and go our ways and peak ridership is millions a day (prepandemic was almost 6 million on the MTA trains alone (not including the LIRR, Metro North, and NJ Transit, and Amtrak)). I don't think anyone in NYC wants that. Talk about a police presence sheesh. And yea I just talked about the perception issues, which is why they're cracking down on fare evaders. Basically increasing police presence to make people feel like it's the safe system they've been using for years before the pandemic.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
  NYC subway is said to be stinky, with homeless people and people dying and such, people throwing fights and stuff... >And yea I just talked about the perception issues, which is why they're cracking down on fare evaders. why should that not be a problem when they are running a public utility? oh, did i mention that women just have to carry an empty "card" with no balance and they can "actually freeride" the whole train for as long as they want ? so only men have to pay for their rides and everyone is happy with the arrangement in delhi so why should they NOT enforce men not paying?