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Have you ever tried psychedelics? What makes you think they're problematic? I'm sure opiates are the primary driver of many of the problems in San Francisco, co

Have you ever tried psychedelics? What makes you think they're problematic? I'm sure opiates are the primary driver of many of the problems in San Francisco, combined with a failure to charge anyone with petty property crimes. Drug prohibition doesn't work and just hurts the wrong people.

anon291 4y ago
Psychedelics can induce schizophrenia, as most mind altering drugs can. The stronger the drug, the more capable. From https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/faq/can-a-bad-trip-cause-schizophrenia/ https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/faq/can-a-bad-trip-cause-s... > Research has shown that the use of LSD can trigger the onset of schizophrenia in people prone to schizophrenia. People who use LSD are more likely than anyone else with a psychotic disorder to consume it over a period of more than a few days at a time. I am an educated adult who understands my family's history of schizo means that these drugs are no gos for me. It's just not worth it. However, I worry that teenagers and such in their developmental years will experiment. The way these drugs are marketed by true believers you'd think they're a cure all. However, in some people they cause long-lasting, even permanent effects. A significant number of people taking psychedelics experience symptoms for years after. This is a very bad change to make to one's psyche that calls one ability to reason and decide into question. These drugs should not be encouraged.
- nh23423fefe 4y ago
- jlmorton 4y ago
  That link makes claims not backed up by any sources it links to that are accessible online. If you follow the chain, it eventually gets to a book unavailable online, but I am skeptical. Other research has shown no link between psychedelics and psychosis. [1] This same [1] article discusses old research which may have shown a link, and speculates that the wide prevalence of various psychotic disorders may have led to spurious findings. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16968 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16968
  - adnzzzzZ 4y ago
    Sorry, but I'm just going to trust my own observations of reality over some random paper. It's plainly obvious that these drugs trigger schizophrenia and other mental illnesses in a percentage of people who use them. Sometimes all it takes is a single use even. If you haven't met people who have had this happen to them then I advise you to search online for people's stories since it's not that hard to find them.
    - deadbeeves 4y ago
      However, what's unknown is whether people who develop schizophrenia due to psychedelic use wouldn't have developed it anyway for some other reason. Latent schizophrenia can be triggered by things such as stress. Besides, it's not like even given this there's no way to consume the substances safely. A simple method is to way until 25-30 years of age. Since schizophrenia most commonly develops during a person's teenage years through to early adulthood, a person who hasn't developed it by 30 probably will never develop it.
      - adnzzzzZ 4y ago
        If you're prone to it (family with history of mental illnesses) you shouldn't use it no matter your age. Why risk it? Something like schizophrenia is no joke and ruins your life completely. And if you don't find meds that work for you you literally can't fix it and go back to normal.
        deadbeeves 4y ago
        People do all sorts of dangerous things that don't seem to be worth it to others. The reason is really very simple: because it's fun. What's important is that it's each person's right to decide for themselves whether it's worth the risk, without having others force their decision onto them.
        mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
        What matter is that we protect society. Fun doesn't keep the nation together, we can't decide whats right or wrong just off of fun. If you want to seriously harm yourself I believe we need to stop you. That includes drug addictions, I think addicts need to be forcibly helped and not given more avenues to ruin their life. I hate this "live and let live" type thinking with drugs because it enables people to ruin their lives. I would rather be disliked but see people be healthy and their lives go well, than be liked for my opinion but enable people to ruin their lives. addiction is no joke and consent to it doesn't make it right!
- Flankk 4y ago

anon291 4y ago

Psychedelics can induce schizophrenia, as most mind altering drugs can. The stronger the drug, the more capable. From https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/faq/can-a-bad-trip-cause-schizophrenia/ https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/faq/can-a-bad-trip-cause-s... > Research has shown that the use of LSD can trigger the onset of schizophrenia in people prone to schizophrenia. People who use LSD are more likely than anyone else with a psychotic disorder to consume it over a period of more than a few days at a time. I am an educated adult who understands my family's history of schizo means that these drugs are no gos for me. It's just not worth it. However, I worry that teenagers and such in their developmental years will experiment. The way these drugs are marketed by true believers you'd think they're a cure all. However, in some people they cause long-lasting, even permanent effects. A significant number of people taking psychedelics experience symptoms for years after. This is a very bad change to make to one's psyche that calls one ability to reason and decide into question. These drugs should not be encouraged.

nh23423fefe 4y ago
jlmorton 4y ago
That link makes claims not backed up by any sources it links to that are accessible online. If you follow the chain, it eventually gets to a book unavailable online, but I am skeptical. Other research has shown no link between psychedelics and psychosis. [1] This same [1] article discusses old research which may have shown a link, and speculates that the wide prevalence of various psychotic disorders may have led to spurious findings. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16968 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16968
- adnzzzzZ 4y ago
  Sorry, but I'm just going to trust my own observations of reality over some random paper. It's plainly obvious that these drugs trigger schizophrenia and other mental illnesses in a percentage of people who use them. Sometimes all it takes is a single use even. If you haven't met people who have had this happen to them then I advise you to search online for people's stories since it's not that hard to find them.
  - deadbeeves 4y ago
    However, what's unknown is whether people who develop schizophrenia due to psychedelic use wouldn't have developed it anyway for some other reason. Latent schizophrenia can be triggered by things such as stress. Besides, it's not like even given this there's no way to consume the substances safely. A simple method is to way until 25-30 years of age. Since schizophrenia most commonly develops during a person's teenage years through to early adulthood, a person who hasn't developed it by 30 probably will never develop it.
    - adnzzzzZ 4y ago
      If you're prone to it (family with history of mental illnesses) you shouldn't use it no matter your age. Why risk it? Something like schizophrenia is no joke and ruins your life completely. And if you don't find meds that work for you you literally can't fix it and go back to normal.
      - deadbeeves 4y ago
        People do all sorts of dangerous things that don't seem to be worth it to others. The reason is really very simple: because it's fun. What's important is that it's each person's right to decide for themselves whether it's worth the risk, without having others force their decision onto them.
        mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
        What matter is that we protect society. Fun doesn't keep the nation together, we can't decide whats right or wrong just off of fun. If you want to seriously harm yourself I believe we need to stop you. That includes drug addictions, I think addicts need to be forcibly helped and not given more avenues to ruin their life. I hate this "live and let live" type thinking with drugs because it enables people to ruin their lives. I would rather be disliked but see people be healthy and their lives go well, than be liked for my opinion but enable people to ruin their lives. addiction is no joke and consent to it doesn't make it right!
Flankk 4y ago