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Isn't that what the author was saying though? These "affordable" private jets were really not providing the perks of a private jet; they were essentially just c

by sylens 4y ago

Isn't that what the author was saying though? These "affordable" private jets were really not providing the perks of a private jet; they were essentially just chartering a standard plane.

hindsightbias 4y ago
He’s saying that because he thinks they want to brag. But there’s a completely 100% rational reason for doing it that he completely ignores. Given the choice of going to a destination for the same price (or at least “affordable”), would you A) fly commercial B) fly private?
- rr3932 4y ago
  There's also the "to/from more conveniently located airports, bringing family pets along, having private conversations among the pax, having exactly the catering you wanted" perks, apparently. I've not had the pleasure to fly "private" yet so I wouldn't know. :)
- sbf501 4y ago
  Bit what is the difference? Just a hundred fewer people, and the knowledge that you're just polluting for a few extra minutes of boarding time? I don't see any positives, even at the same price per ticket. Also, smaller planes are less stable than larger planes, so there's the smoother ride factor too, right?
  - hindsightbias 4y ago
    Flying direct vs hub and spoke. To Ibiza. Plus a 100 less potential Covid carriers. Bigger planes can be more comfortable but a large factor is wing loading. Many smaller jets have higher ratios. IMO, the most comfortable airliner in turbulence was the MD-80, which had a tiny wing. https://turbli.com/blog/the-best-planes-to-fly-through-turbulence/ https://turbli.com/blog/the-best-planes-to-fly-through-turbu...
- wpietri 4y ago
  If the choice is between flying on a regular airplane and a regular route vs sharing a small "private" jet with a bunch of randos, the apparent situation described in the article, I'll definitely take A. The major airlines are well-known quantities who are well regulated. Dealing with a small, novel company adds risk, as does the small plane. And I would have strong concerns that the people who are pulled in by a "private jet" fantasy would be the most pain-in-the-ass sort of air traveler.
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- ghaff 4y ago
  Not sure. It depends on a bunch of other factors. As the parent notes, flying in a small charter is not flying "private" and if I'm flying commercial, especially international, and money isn't really an object within the general parameters of commercial flight, I have access to the premium airline lounges, very comfortable seating, pretty decent food and service, etc. Not clear that a small not really private plane is an improvement unless it's people I know.
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- sokoloff 4y ago
  If I'm flying "private" with 30 other randoms, or commercial with 150 other randoms, I would 100% take the commercial option. The airliner is going to be more comfortable than any 30-person private jet and airlines are way better at handling mechanicals and irregular ops than most private operators who are doing the "Part 135 charter, but skirting right up against the Part 121 rules" game.

by sylens 4y ago

Isn't that what the author was saying though? These "affordable" private jets were really not providing the perks of a private jet; they were essentially just chartering a standard plane.

hindsightbias 4y ago

He’s saying that because he thinks they want to brag. But there’s a completely 100% rational reason for doing it that he completely ignores. Given the choice of going to a destination for the same price (or at least “affordable”), would you A) fly commercial B) fly private?

rr3932 4y ago
There's also the "to/from more conveniently located airports, bringing family pets along, having private conversations among the pax, having exactly the catering you wanted" perks, apparently. I've not had the pleasure to fly "private" yet so I wouldn't know. :)
sbf501 4y ago
Bit what is the difference? Just a hundred fewer people, and the knowledge that you're just polluting for a few extra minutes of boarding time? I don't see any positives, even at the same price per ticket. Also, smaller planes are less stable than larger planes, so there's the smoother ride factor too, right?
- hindsightbias 4y ago
  Flying direct vs hub and spoke. To Ibiza. Plus a 100 less potential Covid carriers. Bigger planes can be more comfortable but a large factor is wing loading. Many smaller jets have higher ratios. IMO, the most comfortable airliner in turbulence was the MD-80, which had a tiny wing. https://turbli.com/blog/the-best-planes-to-fly-through-turbulence/ https://turbli.com/blog/the-best-planes-to-fly-through-turbu...
wpietri 4y ago
If the choice is between flying on a regular airplane and a regular route vs sharing a small "private" jet with a bunch of randos, the apparent situation described in the article, I'll definitely take A. The major airlines are well-known quantities who are well regulated. Dealing with a small, novel company adds risk, as does the small plane. And I would have strong concerns that the people who are pulled in by a "private jet" fantasy would be the most pain-in-the-ass sort of air traveler.
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ghaff 4y ago
Not sure. It depends on a bunch of other factors. As the parent notes, flying in a small charter is not flying "private" and if I'm flying commercial, especially international, and money isn't really an object within the general parameters of commercial flight, I have access to the premium airline lounges, very comfortable seating, pretty decent food and service, etc. Not clear that a small not really private plane is an improvement unless it's people I know.
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sokoloff 4y ago
If I'm flying "private" with 30 other randoms, or commercial with 150 other randoms, I would 100% take the commercial option. The airliner is going to be more comfortable than any 30-person private jet and airlines are way better at handling mechanicals and irregular ops than most private operators who are doing the "Part 135 charter, but skirting right up against the Part 121 rules" game.