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you should really step out of your bubble every so often, sounds like you're projecting your experience onto everyone else without really thinking about or cons

you should really step out of your bubble every so often, sounds like you're projecting your experience onto everyone else without really thinking about or considering what life is like in other places

dougmwne 4y ago
Oh I have a decent handle on that I think:) I mean if your mom is texting with SMS, she’s in North America. If she’s texting with a lot of iPhone users your family is in a certain economic position already. If you are on this site you are in a certain economic position and get called in for a lot of family tech support. If your mom has an android, supporting it is probably not worth your time in terms of the hourly rate you usually get. On top of all that, an iPhone SE is one of the best deals in phones and its long support life will save money over a parade of crap cheapest-available androids. I am just speaking to my audience.
- freedomben 4y ago
  No GP is right. You say: > It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge. That seems absurd. I'm in NA, and economically could buy an iphone. Most of the text messages I send are automated in a ruby script that runs in termux. I also have a few apps that I use that make my life easier, but require being side loaded as well as rooted. Are you really saying that iphone would be objectively better for me? Unless things have radically changed in iOS, it seems like I would lose a lot of features that I currently rely on to save me lots of time and give me a much better UX
  - futureshock 4y ago
    Are your children going to be buying you a phone any time soon and do they complain about your unwillingness to learn to use a messaging app other than SMS? If no, then I don’t think you are in the group of people I was talking about when I said an iPhone is objectively better. The context of my comment was important in that it was a response to Cook’s response about buying the questioner’s elderly mother an iPhone. It is an objectively better UX for that person. It is a product obsessively made for that person. The context in language is important. It is impossible for me to have been giving a universal axiom because Android developers exist and an iPhone would not be objectively better for that.
  - adobug 4y ago
    What do you need a ruby script for? Please enlighten me.
    - freedomben 4y ago
      As I mentioned, I use it to send text messages using the termux API. I can type out a text once and use the script to iterate over a list of recipients (adding a 1 second sleep in between so my carrier doesn't block/throttle it). It can also be used to read and respond to messages in an automated fashion, with branching logic based on whatever I want. I've also used it for other things like automating the downloading/unzipping of audiobooks, pushing photos/videos (or metadata about those) to my web service, and more. Basically, I use it for whatever I want to automate. I don't think of my phone as an "appliance." To me it's a general-purpose computing machine that conveniently can sit in my pocket and go with me everywhere. I've never understood why people want to embrace the idea of them as appliances. They are fully capable of being general purpose, they are just (intentionally) limited. Makes me think of a bird (born with wings), where someone intentionally ties the wings down so they can't fly even though they have all the hardware needed for it.
      - adobug 4y ago
        Damn, that's so cool. My phone has termux and is rooted as well but I never tried automating anything in it. Can you interact with other apps using termux, because I don't use sms/mms? I currently use it to access my PC via Tailscale and ssh.

dougmwne 4y ago

Oh I have a decent handle on that I think:) I mean if your mom is texting with SMS, she’s in North America. If she’s texting with a lot of iPhone users your family is in a certain economic position already. If you are on this site you are in a certain economic position and get called in for a lot of family tech support. If your mom has an android, supporting it is probably not worth your time in terms of the hourly rate you usually get. On top of all that, an iPhone SE is one of the best deals in phones and its long support life will save money over a parade of crap cheapest-available androids. I am just speaking to my audience.

freedomben 4y ago
No GP is right. You say: > It’s objectively better unless you are harboring some irrational grudge. That seems absurd. I'm in NA, and economically could buy an iphone. Most of the text messages I send are automated in a ruby script that runs in termux. I also have a few apps that I use that make my life easier, but require being side loaded as well as rooted. Are you really saying that iphone would be objectively better for me? Unless things have radically changed in iOS, it seems like I would lose a lot of features that I currently rely on to save me lots of time and give me a much better UX
- futureshock 4y ago
  Are your children going to be buying you a phone any time soon and do they complain about your unwillingness to learn to use a messaging app other than SMS? If no, then I don’t think you are in the group of people I was talking about when I said an iPhone is objectively better. The context of my comment was important in that it was a response to Cook’s response about buying the questioner’s elderly mother an iPhone. It is an objectively better UX for that person. It is a product obsessively made for that person. The context in language is important. It is impossible for me to have been giving a universal axiom because Android developers exist and an iPhone would not be objectively better for that.
- adobug 4y ago
  What do you need a ruby script for? Please enlighten me.
  - freedomben 4y ago
    As I mentioned, I use it to send text messages using the termux API. I can type out a text once and use the script to iterate over a list of recipients (adding a 1 second sleep in between so my carrier doesn't block/throttle it). It can also be used to read and respond to messages in an automated fashion, with branching logic based on whatever I want. I've also used it for other things like automating the downloading/unzipping of audiobooks, pushing photos/videos (or metadata about those) to my web service, and more. Basically, I use it for whatever I want to automate. I don't think of my phone as an "appliance." To me it's a general-purpose computing machine that conveniently can sit in my pocket and go with me everywhere. I've never understood why people want to embrace the idea of them as appliances. They are fully capable of being general purpose, they are just (intentionally) limited. Makes me think of a bird (born with wings), where someone intentionally ties the wings down so they can't fly even though they have all the hardware needed for it.
    - adobug 4y ago
      Damn, that's so cool. My phone has termux and is rooted as well but I never tried automating anything in it. Can you interact with other apps using termux, because I don't use sms/mms? I currently use it to access my PC via Tailscale and ssh.