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What board game do you expect to be at the top of a list? Catan is widely popular and thankfully has replace monopoly as the default game for a lot of families.

What board game do you expect to be at the top of a list? Catan is widely popular and thankfully has replace monopoly as the default game for a lot of families. It's not perfect but its easy to get into, has some depth, and is affordable.

jldugger 4y ago
> What board game do you expect to be at the top of a list Personally? Concordia. But more likely: Pandemic, Terraforming Mars, Twilight Imperium, and Terra Mystica. Anything in the BGG top 50. There is substantial overlap between the two communities. Catan is on this app's "favorites" list for an unexpected reason: it's a well known baseline, with a number of major flaws that people want to see improved upon*. So people complaining about the game leads to this algo declaring it a favorite, which is ... unexpected. To me, this suggests some opportunities to refine the model with sentiment analysis. Just raw frequency analysis will be subject to this kind of base rate effect. *it's not as bad as your other example, monopoly.
- jldugger 4y ago
  Also, looking into this more, it's a bit misleading -- the supporting data for catan also comes from the r/Catan subreddit. Like, yea, if you include that biased sample, it's really surprising Gloomhaven still won. It looks like the sentiment analysis is being done but isn't super reliable. Here's a "negative" Concordia review: > Concordia - I don't get to play this nearly enough since I really prefer it with 4-5, but the depth-to-complexity ratio just just fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the app implementation so I can get more plays in between actual plays. This probably affects all products in similar ways but adds noise to the distribution which can affect rankings -- one misjudged call matters far more when the sample size is smaller. edit: oh and their Wingspan data doesn't include _any_ reddit data, just Amazon reviews. Seems weird to call it a reddit favorite when you have no such evidence, even when you totally should
hyperhopper 4y ago
It's not about what I expect to be at the top, it's that I know this community and know that based on how the game is discussed there, and often mocked, it should be near the bottom. This site is failing at either sentiment analysis or ranking.

jldugger 4y ago

> What board game do you expect to be at the top of a list Personally? Concordia. But more likely: Pandemic, Terraforming Mars, Twilight Imperium, and Terra Mystica. Anything in the BGG top 50. There is substantial overlap between the two communities. Catan is on this app's "favorites" list for an unexpected reason: it's a well known baseline, with a number of major flaws that people want to see improved upon*. So people complaining about the game leads to this algo declaring it a favorite, which is ... unexpected. To me, this suggests some opportunities to refine the model with sentiment analysis. Just raw frequency analysis will be subject to this kind of base rate effect. *it's not as bad as your other example, monopoly.

jldugger 4y ago
Also, looking into this more, it's a bit misleading -- the supporting data for catan also comes from the r/Catan subreddit. Like, yea, if you include that biased sample, it's really surprising Gloomhaven still won. It looks like the sentiment analysis is being done but isn't super reliable. Here's a "negative" Concordia review: > Concordia - I don't get to play this nearly enough since I really prefer it with 4-5, but the depth-to-complexity ratio just just fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the app implementation so I can get more plays in between actual plays. This probably affects all products in similar ways but adds noise to the distribution which can affect rankings -- one misjudged call matters far more when the sample size is smaller. edit: oh and their Wingspan data doesn't include _any_ reddit data, just Amazon reviews. Seems weird to call it a reddit favorite when you have no such evidence, even when you totally should

hyperhopper 4y ago

It's not about what I expect to be at the top, it's that I know this community and know that based on how the game is discussed there, and often mocked, it should be near the bottom. This site is failing at either sentiment analysis or ranking.