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I'm actually fine with this, it easily lets me avoid irritating snobs that I was never going to be friends with anyway. :-) Although I admit that I've excluded

I'm actually fine with this, it easily lets me avoid irritating snobs that I was never going to be friends with anyway. :-) Although I admit that I've excluded people from group chats because they don't use Signal messenger, although not because of any snobbiness, but because of the lack of feature support, and because I HATE the way iPhones do "<name> reacted to <ENTIRE TEXT MESSAGE QUOTED>" type crap. Almost like we'd all be better off with a nice open standard (and not the crappy RCS either)...

yieldcrv 4y ago
This is really funny to me because extremely non-snobbish people are talking about you behind your back, and all iphone users have seen this and can perceive how out of the loop non-iphone users are about it Its like being black in Oregon (who were excluded via the state constitution for 100 years, if you don't get the analogy), not everyone is going to be a prick about it, few to your face, but everyone noticed and many/most are going to disassociate saying “well I don't want to be friends with them anyway” isnt a smug consolation you when its the whole society you need to interface with your response is quite common, at least here, but to me it reads like its grasping for all you have to grasp for. highlighting the pervasiveness of this social issue.
- toast0 4y ago
  iPhone marketshare is pretty high in the US, and a couple other countries, but it's not that far above 50% in those places, still. If some people with iPhones won't talk to the half of the population without iPhones, why am I supposed to care what they think? It's like in elementary school when people weren't willing to have conversations across gender lines.
- daedalus_j 4y ago
  I think "need to interface with" is a bit of a stretch though. If we need to interact, it's probably a business interaction, in which case it's probably going to be via email or phone, and even if SMS is required it's going to be simple messages. Social protocol in these situations means we're unlikely to need the features like sending high-quality images or video, or reactions/stickers, etc... So we'll happily interact in a professional way, no problem at all. However, if we're sitting around playing super mario at a mutual friend's place, and the iPhone user says something like "Oh, I'd invite you to the group chat, but you're an _android_ user, so uncool." yeah, we don't need to interface in any way, and likely won't ever be friends in any substantial way. You've just signaled you're fundamentally not a nice person, and that's all the information I need to decide if I want to spend any further time around you. There are many such other signals, some widely accepted by society and some simple personal preference. (For example if we're in the same situation and you're a heavy social drinker who just wants to go to bars I'm similarly unlikely to invest time in you as I don't drink personally.) "talking about you behind your back" likely goes both ways. In my friend group we mercilessly mock people hanging off of Apple's every announcement and panic-buying a new phone as soon as the store comes online just because it has a feature that our android phones have had for 9 years now. I think this is just an in-group social thing that happens everywhere. Some people judge others by the sneakers they wear. The problem comes in when you lump everyone into this "other" category and treat them as lesser. I'll make fun of a iPhone user for their lack of awareness of the reality distortion field they live in, but I'll still be friends with them. (My best friend is getting the new phone that was just announced.) Mocking someone behind their back because they don't make the same choices you do is just a fundamental signal that you're not very open minded and probably not the type of person I want to spend time with. Wear whatever shoes fit you well.
  - RichardCNormos 4y ago
RichardCNormos 4y ago

yieldcrv 4y ago

This is really funny to me because extremely non-snobbish people are talking about you behind your back, and all iphone users have seen this and can perceive how out of the loop non-iphone users are about it Its like being black in Oregon (who were excluded via the state constitution for 100 years, if you don't get the analogy), not everyone is going to be a prick about it, few to your face, but everyone noticed and many/most are going to disassociate saying “well I don't want to be friends with them anyway” isnt a smug consolation you when its the whole society you need to interface with your response is quite common, at least here, but to me it reads like its grasping for all you have to grasp for. highlighting the pervasiveness of this social issue.

toast0 4y ago
iPhone marketshare is pretty high in the US, and a couple other countries, but it's not that far above 50% in those places, still. If some people with iPhones won't talk to the half of the population without iPhones, why am I supposed to care what they think? It's like in elementary school when people weren't willing to have conversations across gender lines.
daedalus_j 4y ago
I think "need to interface with" is a bit of a stretch though. If we need to interact, it's probably a business interaction, in which case it's probably going to be via email or phone, and even if SMS is required it's going to be simple messages. Social protocol in these situations means we're unlikely to need the features like sending high-quality images or video, or reactions/stickers, etc... So we'll happily interact in a professional way, no problem at all. However, if we're sitting around playing super mario at a mutual friend's place, and the iPhone user says something like "Oh, I'd invite you to the group chat, but you're an _android_ user, so uncool." yeah, we don't need to interface in any way, and likely won't ever be friends in any substantial way. You've just signaled you're fundamentally not a nice person, and that's all the information I need to decide if I want to spend any further time around you. There are many such other signals, some widely accepted by society and some simple personal preference. (For example if we're in the same situation and you're a heavy social drinker who just wants to go to bars I'm similarly unlikely to invest time in you as I don't drink personally.) "talking about you behind your back" likely goes both ways. In my friend group we mercilessly mock people hanging off of Apple's every announcement and panic-buying a new phone as soon as the store comes online just because it has a feature that our android phones have had for 9 years now. I think this is just an in-group social thing that happens everywhere. Some people judge others by the sneakers they wear. The problem comes in when you lump everyone into this "other" category and treat them as lesser. I'll make fun of a iPhone user for their lack of awareness of the reality distortion field they live in, but I'll still be friends with them. (My best friend is getting the new phone that was just announced.) Mocking someone behind their back because they don't make the same choices you do is just a fundamental signal that you're not very open minded and probably not the type of person I want to spend time with. Wear whatever shoes fit you well.
- RichardCNormos 4y ago

RichardCNormos 4y ago