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The Communist Manifesto Book by Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx

by snshn 4y ago

hsavit1 4y ago
or even Capital volume 1 by Marx. You can't understand the economy without understanding the labor theory of value and primitive accumulation of capital
tharne 4y ago
Agreed. Understanding what "not to do" is often times more important than understanding how to do something well. Avoiding communism and poverty, and the human misery, poverty and 6 and 7-figure death tolls that so often come with it is far more productive than getting a certain economic or policy lever "just right". This is similar to health where avoiding things like smoking are more important than finding the perfect diet.
- snshn 4y ago
  It's way worse than you think. Central banking is a Marxist invention, he was all for it. It's not coincidence that many globalists today worship his ideas and have Lenin's busts in their offices (e.g. Klaus Schwab does). Listen to Audiobooks and podcasts of/with Robert Kiyosaki, he talks about it in great detail. The goal of communism is one-world govt, you have to have central banking system for that to be in place.
  - hsavit1 4y ago
    lmao, anyone who recommends listening to a Robert Kiyosaki podcast is a total clown. He TWICE co-"authored" books with Donald Trump on how to get rich quick - all you need to know on how little credibility he has.
    - snshn 4y ago
      I'm not a clown. And it's a bit odd to dismiss somebody completely by citing just one thing, very childish. Robert understands how money works today, knows a ton about the banking system. Both him and Donald Trump are wealthy and successful, and besides getting rich quick has worked many times for many people (including many who use this site: the dotcom boom, crypto, NFTs, etc) — if you have no ability to figure out how to play certain games, that's another discussion.
      - hsavit1 4y ago
        you are a clown. "Get rich with NFTs" - real sound advice If partnering with Trump isn't enough of a red flag, Robert has plenty of failed businesses on his record to prove how useless his mind is
        snshn 4y ago
        Again, not a clown. Wasn't an advice, just stating the known fact that people got rich overnight on various things, e.g. NFT. Most of the US was "partnered" with Trump for four years and it flourished, the economy was booming, the US did not get involved into a single new war during that time. Most businesses fail, all businesses fail to some degree, it's not an indicator of how "useless" somebody's mind is, even if they make one out of 100 that succeeds, it's a success. You're likely in your late teens / early 20s, convinced that you've figured out how the world works and everything looks crystal clear to you. That is not confidence, rather lack of data points, life experience, research. You dismiss things and try to discredit people without really understanding the topic and resort to personal attacks, that makes you look unstable and childish, I can't really take seriously things you say, the arguments you make, there's not much that can be done here from my side, as you seem to have already made up your mind about things, driven by fear, anger, and other basic emotions, rather than logic and reason. This topic was about understanding central banking, and continuing this discussion would be a waste of my time as to understand something, one must be able to accept and analyze different points of view, instead of calling people names.
        hsavit1 4y ago
        Lol, backpedaling so hard that you have to resort to the "you must be very young, and you don't understand human nature or how the world really works" kind of infantilization. I'm in my 30s. Lack of data points / research is also a nonsense argument because you know quite well that there is no amount of sources that I could list in a hackernews comment that would satisfy you. You admire this guy Robert as a man who knows how to be successful under capitalism yet you also are comfortable that the only success he has had is baiting people like you into thinking that he is indeed successful. Thinking that the economy flourished under Trump is sycophantic nonsense. He cut corporate tax rates to incredibly low levels and ordered the fed to cut interest rates despite the already out of control stock market, so of course indexes like the Fortune 500 skyrocketed. Not an indication of the real economy in any way or how the labor class is actually doing, but an indicator of growing CEO wealth and growing inequality
- hsavit1 4y ago
  what is the death toll of capitalism? Anyway, why are you so reflexively critical of the labor theory of value? Capitalism is leading to the overproduction of goods and the destruction of the environment, so why is that any better than considering a form of socialism?
  - snshn 4y ago
    As in, of the version of capitalism that exists in the US? Before or after the FED was created (hello Marxist central banking) and that country has become just another tool where people decide close to nothing? The "labor theory of value" as you put it, sounds like a noble idea only until you try to implement it, the history has shown it many times, and yet gullible people with little life experience still keep falling for it. Socialism can work in a small town where everybody is like a family, the larger the scale the more corruption and less trust ends up being part of the system, and it just turns into Venezuela or USSR with tyrannical govt and everybody stealing what they can. Free market is how things work in nature, cruel but it works. I've never said that I view capitalism as ideal or the best way of doing things, no system is perfect. And today you don't see much of it in the western world anyway, it's mostly aspects of kleptocracy that get falsely blamed on supposed faults of capitalism. It is better because it works and grants the most amount of personal liberties to express yourself and live your life, pursue endeavors and invent new things. Overproduction of goods is somewhat better than underproduction (empty shelves), you're about to be able to compare the two if you live in the EU or US. And as a side note, I find it beyond hilarious that people like you use inventions and devices that were created in many aspects thanks to capitalism, and then try to convince everybody that it's bad, on a website of a company that puts seed capital into startups (evil capitalism again!). You guys should just leave for Venezuela, and live your life there, enjoying socialism away from this terrible system that overproduces things and ruins the environment.
    - hsavit1 4y ago
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The Communist Manifesto Book by Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx

by snshn 4y ago

The Communist Manifesto Book by Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx

or even Capital volume 1 by Marx. You can't understand the economy without understanding the labor theory of value and primitive accumulation of capital

tharne 4y ago

Agreed. Understanding what "not to do" is often times more important than understanding how to do something well. Avoiding communism and poverty, and the human misery, poverty and 6 and 7-figure death tolls that so often come with it is far more productive than getting a certain economic or policy lever "just right". This is similar to health where avoiding things like smoking are more important than finding the perfect diet.

snshn 4y ago
It's way worse than you think. Central banking is a Marxist invention, he was all for it. It's not coincidence that many globalists today worship his ideas and have Lenin's busts in their offices (e.g. Klaus Schwab does). Listen to Audiobooks and podcasts of/with Robert Kiyosaki, he talks about it in great detail. The goal of communism is one-world govt, you have to have central banking system for that to be in place.
- hsavit1 4y ago
  lmao, anyone who recommends listening to a Robert Kiyosaki podcast is a total clown. He TWICE co-"authored" books with Donald Trump on how to get rich quick - all you need to know on how little credibility he has.
  - snshn 4y ago
    I'm not a clown. And it's a bit odd to dismiss somebody completely by citing just one thing, very childish. Robert understands how money works today, knows a ton about the banking system. Both him and Donald Trump are wealthy and successful, and besides getting rich quick has worked many times for many people (including many who use this site: the dotcom boom, crypto, NFTs, etc) — if you have no ability to figure out how to play certain games, that's another discussion.
    - hsavit1 4y ago
      you are a clown. "Get rich with NFTs" - real sound advice If partnering with Trump isn't enough of a red flag, Robert has plenty of failed businesses on his record to prove how useless his mind is
      - snshn 4y ago
        Again, not a clown. Wasn't an advice, just stating the known fact that people got rich overnight on various things, e.g. NFT. Most of the US was "partnered" with Trump for four years and it flourished, the economy was booming, the US did not get involved into a single new war during that time. Most businesses fail, all businesses fail to some degree, it's not an indicator of how "useless" somebody's mind is, even if they make one out of 100 that succeeds, it's a success. You're likely in your late teens / early 20s, convinced that you've figured out how the world works and everything looks crystal clear to you. That is not confidence, rather lack of data points, life experience, research. You dismiss things and try to discredit people without really understanding the topic and resort to personal attacks, that makes you look unstable and childish, I can't really take seriously things you say, the arguments you make, there's not much that can be done here from my side, as you seem to have already made up your mind about things, driven by fear, anger, and other basic emotions, rather than logic and reason. This topic was about understanding central banking, and continuing this discussion would be a waste of my time as to understand something, one must be able to accept and analyze different points of view, instead of calling people names.
        hsavit1 4y ago
        Lol, backpedaling so hard that you have to resort to the "you must be very young, and you don't understand human nature or how the world really works" kind of infantilization. I'm in my 30s. Lack of data points / research is also a nonsense argument because you know quite well that there is no amount of sources that I could list in a hackernews comment that would satisfy you. You admire this guy Robert as a man who knows how to be successful under capitalism yet you also are comfortable that the only success he has had is baiting people like you into thinking that he is indeed successful. Thinking that the economy flourished under Trump is sycophantic nonsense. He cut corporate tax rates to incredibly low levels and ordered the fed to cut interest rates despite the already out of control stock market, so of course indexes like the Fortune 500 skyrocketed. Not an indication of the real economy in any way or how the labor class is actually doing, but an indicator of growing CEO wealth and growing inequality
hsavit1 4y ago
what is the death toll of capitalism? Anyway, why are you so reflexively critical of the labor theory of value? Capitalism is leading to the overproduction of goods and the destruction of the environment, so why is that any better than considering a form of socialism?
- snshn 4y ago
  As in, of the version of capitalism that exists in the US? Before or after the FED was created (hello Marxist central banking) and that country has become just another tool where people decide close to nothing? The "labor theory of value" as you put it, sounds like a noble idea only until you try to implement it, the history has shown it many times, and yet gullible people with little life experience still keep falling for it. Socialism can work in a small town where everybody is like a family, the larger the scale the more corruption and less trust ends up being part of the system, and it just turns into Venezuela or USSR with tyrannical govt and everybody stealing what they can. Free market is how things work in nature, cruel but it works. I've never said that I view capitalism as ideal or the best way of doing things, no system is perfect. And today you don't see much of it in the western world anyway, it's mostly aspects of kleptocracy that get falsely blamed on supposed faults of capitalism. It is better because it works and grants the most amount of personal liberties to express yourself and live your life, pursue endeavors and invent new things. Overproduction of goods is somewhat better than underproduction (empty shelves), you're about to be able to compare the two if you live in the EU or US. And as a side note, I find it beyond hilarious that people like you use inventions and devices that were created in many aspects thanks to capitalism, and then try to convince everybody that it's bad, on a website of a company that puts seed capital into startups (evil capitalism again!). You guys should just leave for Venezuela, and live your life there, enjoying socialism away from this terrible system that overproduces things and ruins the environment.
  - hsavit1 4y ago
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