5 ms·

A women told in a comment that after around 13 years old she would get ads on Facebook to become a cam girl. So FB with all the data they have on their user sti

A women told in a comment that after around 13 years old she would get ads on Facebook to become a cam girl. So FB with all the data they have on their user still pushed such a fucking ad to a child. I am expecting an ashole to respond and tell me that FB can\t afford to validate the ads they put in front of children and my premtive response is "Don't fucking put ads in fron of children, or at least put only the ones you validated" but Mark and his army of cool FB devs need a raise and new toys. My conclusion, block ads, block ads on your family and friends devices, the companies will screw you and the poor bastard that payed for the ad to be placed in front of some relevant target.

tartoran 4y ago
In the current form ads are cancer to the world.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
These things are only profitable at scale which is why humans will never be part of the process. With that said- it's not our problem that it doesn't scale. As it exists it is hurting people so something obviously needs to change. Platforms have a duty to uphold and shouldn't exist if they cannot even protect children from sex worker ads.
- simion314 4y ago
  It hurts the companies that pay for placing the ads if FB or other giant does not give a shit that they target the wrong people. Putting some toy ads would maybe make more money but when you are a giant and have no competition your developers spend their time on shitty projects that improve their CV.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
concinds 4y ago
I wonder if she lied about her age when signing up to FB. I know I did, and most people I know did too (back when we actually used FB). I don't believe FB ever allowed users younger than 13 due to COPPA (passed in 2000) and she clearly used it before turning 13. For context FB always asked for users' birthday during signup.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  Am I the only one who thinks FB would easily: a) "implement" COPPA by using the sign-up form b) don't care that the profiling of a user leads to showing ads that would fit a 10-year old c) don't care when other ads clash with the profile consistent of a 10-year old d) plausible deniability Q.E.D
  - concinds 4y ago
    FB said in SEC filings that many young people lie about their age when signing up; independent research I've found confirms that FB uses self-reported age for ad targeting (https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2021-006.pdf https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2021-006.pdf). British authorities say more than 80% of children lie about their age (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/26/children-lie-age-facebook-asa https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/26/children-lie-a...). More search shows that parents often encourage their kids to lie about their age when signing up (https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/3850/3075 https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/3850/...), presumably under the belief that it'll make them less likely to be targeted by predators. FB has used algorithms since 2011 to try to ban underage users (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/technology/internet/12underage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/technology/internet/12und...) but presumably there's an error rate, and it's bad PR for normal adult users to be asked to submit their ID/passport to keep access to their account, so it's a hard problem. It's easy to paint FB employees as cravenly evil cartoon characters, but most FB ads (except ones from the biggest corporations) are "direct response", i.e. not focused on increasing brand awareness but on immediately funneling users to a sales page. FB doesn't benefit from underage kids, who have zero spending ability, from seeing direct response ads (obviously, brand awareness ads on underage people are hugely effective, however), it just messes up their ad targeting. It seems to be a hard problem to solve when you consider all factors.
    - actionfromafar 4y ago
      Employees seldom are evil cartoon characters. Banality of evil, and all that. It's the system as setup which is the problem. When faced with such a hard problem, there are basically two outcomes: - oh well, carry on then - maybe we shouldn't be doing these things, and make a drastic change? I know, the second option is almost laughably absurd.
8organicbits 4y ago
I'll be watching some YouTube with kids, or some chill music to relax and then some trailer for a horror movie will have me scrambling for the mute button. Some basic ad standards would prevent jump scares. Especially on content for kids or relaxation...

tartoran 4y ago

In the current form ads are cancer to the world.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

These things are only profitable at scale which is why humans will never be part of the process. With that said- it's not our problem that it doesn't scale. As it exists it is hurting people so something obviously needs to change. Platforms have a duty to uphold and shouldn't exist if they cannot even protect children from sex worker ads.

simion314 4y ago
It hurts the companies that pay for placing the ads if FB or other giant does not give a shit that they target the wrong people. Putting some toy ads would maybe make more money but when you are a giant and have no competition your developers spend their time on shitty projects that improve their CV.
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]

concinds 4y ago

I wonder if she lied about her age when signing up to FB. I know I did, and most people I know did too (back when we actually used FB). I don't believe FB ever allowed users younger than 13 due to COPPA (passed in 2000) and she clearly used it before turning 13. For context FB always asked for users' birthday during signup.

actionfromafar 4y ago
Am I the only one who thinks FB would easily: a) "implement" COPPA by using the sign-up form b) don't care that the profiling of a user leads to showing ads that would fit a 10-year old c) don't care when other ads clash with the profile consistent of a 10-year old d) plausible deniability Q.E.D
- concinds 4y ago
  FB said in SEC filings that many young people lie about their age when signing up; independent research I've found confirms that FB uses self-reported age for ad targeting (https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2021-006.pdf https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2021-006.pdf). British authorities say more than 80% of children lie about their age (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/26/children-lie-age-facebook-asa https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/26/children-lie-a...). More search shows that parents often encourage their kids to lie about their age when signing up (https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/3850/3075 https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/3850/...), presumably under the belief that it'll make them less likely to be targeted by predators. FB has used algorithms since 2011 to try to ban underage users (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/technology/internet/12underage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/technology/internet/12und...) but presumably there's an error rate, and it's bad PR for normal adult users to be asked to submit their ID/passport to keep access to their account, so it's a hard problem. It's easy to paint FB employees as cravenly evil cartoon characters, but most FB ads (except ones from the biggest corporations) are "direct response", i.e. not focused on increasing brand awareness but on immediately funneling users to a sales page. FB doesn't benefit from underage kids, who have zero spending ability, from seeing direct response ads (obviously, brand awareness ads on underage people are hugely effective, however), it just messes up their ad targeting. It seems to be a hard problem to solve when you consider all factors.
  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    Employees seldom are evil cartoon characters. Banality of evil, and all that. It's the system as setup which is the problem. When faced with such a hard problem, there are basically two outcomes: - oh well, carry on then - maybe we shouldn't be doing these things, and make a drastic change? I know, the second option is almost laughably absurd.

8organicbits 4y ago

I'll be watching some YouTube with kids, or some chill music to relax and then some trailer for a horror movie will have me scrambling for the mute button. Some basic ad standards would prevent jump scares. Especially on content for kids or relaxation...