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"So dont panic and trust Western leaders a bit more." It's the western leaders who are keeping both Nord Stream 2 and 1 closed: NS2 because Germany won't licen

"So dont panic and trust Western leaders a bit more." It's the western leaders who are keeping both Nord Stream 2 and 1 closed: NS2 because Germany won't license it, and NS1 by sanctioning Russia so they can't work with the companies that repair the broken components. In fact there are at least 5 gas pipelines into various parts of Europe which are all closed by the west or western actions: https://swprs.org/is-russia-limiting-gas-flows-to-europe/ https://swprs.org/is-russia-limiting-gas-flows-to-europe/

hackeraccount 4y ago
This is a political not a technical issue. Russia and the EU are figuring out what their relationship is with regard to energy supplies and if we will say The Ukraine or Ukraine in 10 years.
- origin_path 4y ago
  It's both - there are compressors sitting in the UK that are blocked from being returned to NS1 because of British sanctions. The pipeline needs compressors (technical) but can't get them because they're repaired in foreign countries (political). The stupid thing is, somehow these facts seem to have got lost somewhere along the line and the European countries are convinced this is 4D chess by Russia instead of the exact outcome sanctions were intended to create.
sydd 4y ago
> NS1 by sanctioning Russia so they can't work with the companies that repair the broken components. Not true. While Canada who repaired the turbine first refused to give it back to Russia now they are willing because of German pressure. Siemens (the operator of the turbines) has stated multiple times that there is no technical issue in running NS1. Russia is not supplying gas trough NS1 because of political reasons: - Russia's main goal is to make the EU stop supporting Ukraine, thus they can make a favorable peace agreement. Their main goal is to get the EU states oppose the war. - They are doing this by trying to sow panic and chaos in the EU by turning NS1 lower and lower (now its off) and other things like releasing ridiculous videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbcBrL4ju4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbcBrL4ju4 - This panic also results in high gas prices which is harmful to EU's economy and good for Russia's pockets. The west should not bow to Putin's will, if it would lift the sanctions Putin would use gas as a weapon against the EU whenever he wants; the only good choice is to get rid of any Russian dependency. Trust the western leaders, they did the math. The EU will have enough energy for the winter. Also USA is bringing out the big economical guns too, they started to lower the price of oil which will result in crushing Russia's #1 income source (they can produce oil for around $50) and this will also bring down energy prices. This and the next winter will be still hard for the EU, but after that things will stabilize. But seriously what did you expect, how could a Russia, a country with a total GDP around Italy beat the EU, Japan, USA, Australia, South Korea in an economic war?
- blub 4y ago
  Didn't the EU leaders botch the most recent global crisis, the Covid pandemic? Downplaying the virus at the beginning, then failing to secure masks and lying about their benefits and discouraging their use, failing to secure enough vaccine fast enough. My concern is that in EU math, 2 + 2 could very well equal 5. In any case, presenting this as a fight between Russia and the EU/US/etc is a bit of a red herring. In the end, it doesn't matter that Russia "loses" or is hurt worse, if the EU economy's in shambles and governments are voted out and replaced with more extremist political parties for example.
  - sydd 4y ago
    > Didn't the EU leaders botch the most recent global crisis, the Covid pandemic? I would not say so. Compared to most other countries the EU did very well: - Got the best vaccines with the 2nd fastest (USA was better because the EU did not mandate Pfizer to build a factory in the EU, thus Trump could block most of the vaccine exports for a few months until the USA was mostly vaccinated). Compare this to e.g. China where they still have to do lockdowns, likely because of their subpar vaccine that is ineffective in the elderly. Or to Japan where like 2% of the population was vaccinated by the time of the olympics. - Was among the best for keeping the virus under control until it was not necessary with the right amount of lockdowns. For bad examples see Russia where lockdowns were not enforced/declared too late or Brazil where they declared it a hoax. So who did better? - Israel with securing the very first batch for a price of playing guinea pigs, which was a big gamble. - Island states like New Zealand or Australia because they can just lock down airports and ports to prevent spread. EU could not do this, too many land borders. Compared to some ideal world where we would have a global lockdown for 2 weeks and the virus is gone everyone was doing pretty shitty of course. But compared to other countries EU was among the best.

hackeraccount 4y ago

This is a political not a technical issue. Russia and the EU are figuring out what their relationship is with regard to energy supplies and if we will say The Ukraine or Ukraine in 10 years.

origin_path 4y ago
It's both - there are compressors sitting in the UK that are blocked from being returned to NS1 because of British sanctions. The pipeline needs compressors (technical) but can't get them because they're repaired in foreign countries (political). The stupid thing is, somehow these facts seem to have got lost somewhere along the line and the European countries are convinced this is 4D chess by Russia instead of the exact outcome sanctions were intended to create.

sydd 4y ago

> NS1 by sanctioning Russia so they can't work with the companies that repair the broken components. Not true. While Canada who repaired the turbine first refused to give it back to Russia now they are willing because of German pressure. Siemens (the operator of the turbines) has stated multiple times that there is no technical issue in running NS1. Russia is not supplying gas trough NS1 because of political reasons: - Russia's main goal is to make the EU stop supporting Ukraine, thus they can make a favorable peace agreement. Their main goal is to get the EU states oppose the war. - They are doing this by trying to sow panic and chaos in the EU by turning NS1 lower and lower (now its off) and other things like releasing ridiculous videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbcBrL4ju4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbcBrL4ju4 - This panic also results in high gas prices which is harmful to EU's economy and good for Russia's pockets. The west should not bow to Putin's will, if it would lift the sanctions Putin would use gas as a weapon against the EU whenever he wants; the only good choice is to get rid of any Russian dependency. Trust the western leaders, they did the math. The EU will have enough energy for the winter. Also USA is bringing out the big economical guns too, they started to lower the price of oil which will result in crushing Russia's #1 income source (they can produce oil for around $50) and this will also bring down energy prices. This and the next winter will be still hard for the EU, but after that things will stabilize. But seriously what did you expect, how could a Russia, a country with a total GDP around Italy beat the EU, Japan, USA, Australia, South Korea in an economic war?

blub 4y ago
Didn't the EU leaders botch the most recent global crisis, the Covid pandemic? Downplaying the virus at the beginning, then failing to secure masks and lying about their benefits and discouraging their use, failing to secure enough vaccine fast enough. My concern is that in EU math, 2 + 2 could very well equal 5. In any case, presenting this as a fight between Russia and the EU/US/etc is a bit of a red herring. In the end, it doesn't matter that Russia "loses" or is hurt worse, if the EU economy's in shambles and governments are voted out and replaced with more extremist political parties for example.
- sydd 4y ago
  > Didn't the EU leaders botch the most recent global crisis, the Covid pandemic? I would not say so. Compared to most other countries the EU did very well: - Got the best vaccines with the 2nd fastest (USA was better because the EU did not mandate Pfizer to build a factory in the EU, thus Trump could block most of the vaccine exports for a few months until the USA was mostly vaccinated). Compare this to e.g. China where they still have to do lockdowns, likely because of their subpar vaccine that is ineffective in the elderly. Or to Japan where like 2% of the population was vaccinated by the time of the olympics. - Was among the best for keeping the virus under control until it was not necessary with the right amount of lockdowns. For bad examples see Russia where lockdowns were not enforced/declared too late or Brazil where they declared it a hoax. So who did better? - Israel with securing the very first batch for a price of playing guinea pigs, which was a big gamble. - Island states like New Zealand or Australia because they can just lock down airports and ports to prevent spread. EU could not do this, too many land borders. Compared to some ideal world where we would have a global lockdown for 2 weeks and the virus is gone everyone was doing pretty shitty of course. But compared to other countries EU was among the best.