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You literally tipped a racist insulting you... why?

by emptyfile 4y ago

spoils19 4y ago
It's a social norm in the US. If you don't like it, there are other countries to eat at.
- bambax 4y ago
  The parent is talking about Uber. You should not eat cars, even if it's a "social norm" where you live.
- emptyfile 4y ago
  Isn't it also a social norm to not be racist and rude, especially in service jobs?
- konschubert 4y ago
  Not racially insulting others is a social norm, too
- jbuhbjlnjbn 4y ago
  The "social norm" is more a convenient business norm to pay petty wages. The more you question this norm, the higher the likelihood for change to more healthy business practice.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    Some folks I know who wait tables earn in excess of $750/1k a week…for basically part-time work. I am sure they would be all for a $15/hour minimum wage, as long as tips were still on the table. However, $15/hour and “we don’t accept tips” sign…you would get a big nope. I doubt you could convince them that it would be better for them to earn $300 for their 20 hours of work.
    - jbuhbjlnjbn 4y ago
      Of course tips should still be allowed. In Europe we are still tipping, but the waiters do not depend on it. This is a much sweeter situation if you ask me, voluntary good service, vs. forced good service, when you have to worry about rent for the next month.
      - kcplate 4y ago
        The outrage is that people are under the assumption that these wait staff in the US are NOT earning minimum wage. That is incorrect. Wait staff will earn the minimum wage for the time worked, because if tips+pre tip wage is less than the legal minimum, the employer makes up the difference. They have a real benefit over the other minimum wage earners because they can earn more…much much more in some places. The question of should their employer pay them more per hour? Well, I think the market does a pretty good job of managing that, especially now that in many places in the country restaurants are having a hard time finding the help they need. If I need a server, and my offer is I’ll guarantee them at least $10/hour…that is going to attract workers to me over the restaurant next door offering only $7.5/ hour. If I am fully staffed with good servers, I can attract the customers who will pay my tip earners for me compared to the place next door with lousy service.
kop316 4y ago
This comment provides a good reason: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32763149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32763149
marcus0x62 4y ago
By leaving a small tip, he was sending a message to the driver that he was displeased with the service. Not leaving a tip at all would not send that message.
- haxorito 4y ago
  Exactly that ^

You literally tipped a racist insulting you... why?

spoils19 4y ago

It's a social norm in the US. If you don't like it, there are other countries to eat at.

bambax 4y ago
The parent is talking about Uber. You should not eat cars, even if it's a "social norm" where you live.
emptyfile 4y ago
Isn't it also a social norm to not be racist and rude, especially in service jobs?
konschubert 4y ago
Not racially insulting others is a social norm, too
jbuhbjlnjbn 4y ago
The "social norm" is more a convenient business norm to pay petty wages. The more you question this norm, the higher the likelihood for change to more healthy business practice.
- kcplate 4y ago
  Some folks I know who wait tables earn in excess of $750/1k a week…for basically part-time work. I am sure they would be all for a $15/hour minimum wage, as long as tips were still on the table. However, $15/hour and “we don’t accept tips” sign…you would get a big nope. I doubt you could convince them that it would be better for them to earn $300 for their 20 hours of work.
  - jbuhbjlnjbn 4y ago
    Of course tips should still be allowed. In Europe we are still tipping, but the waiters do not depend on it. This is a much sweeter situation if you ask me, voluntary good service, vs. forced good service, when you have to worry about rent for the next month.
    - kcplate 4y ago
      The outrage is that people are under the assumption that these wait staff in the US are NOT earning minimum wage. That is incorrect. Wait staff will earn the minimum wage for the time worked, because if tips+pre tip wage is less than the legal minimum, the employer makes up the difference. They have a real benefit over the other minimum wage earners because they can earn more…much much more in some places. The question of should their employer pay them more per hour? Well, I think the market does a pretty good job of managing that, especially now that in many places in the country restaurants are having a hard time finding the help they need. If I need a server, and my offer is I’ll guarantee them at least $10/hour…that is going to attract workers to me over the restaurant next door offering only $7.5/ hour. If I am fully staffed with good servers, I can attract the customers who will pay my tip earners for me compared to the place next door with lousy service.

kop316 4y ago

This comment provides a good reason: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32763149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32763149

marcus0x62 4y ago

By leaving a small tip, he was sending a message to the driver that he was displeased with the service. Not leaving a tip at all would not send that message.

haxorito 4y ago
Exactly that ^